Talking points to rationally discuss......

[cougar14]

gun control issues with everyone. Lots of people just start yelling, don't seem to want to listen to what we call facts and what they call propaganda. So, that being said, I think the real problem is not gun related at all, but is best visualized by why this kind of stuff didn't happen before just a few years ago. I believe the real problem lies in the upbringing of our young, the "hands-off" notion, the loss of socializing with peers, level of violence in all forms of media influencing them, and the idolizing of "the dark side", leading to an entire generation of youth who have no goals, no structure, and no respect for anything, including life. What say you?

 

[Rule3]

I lump it all into trying to talk about, Politics, religion, abortion,death penalty, sexual preference etc, etc. You just can not change some folks opinions at these hot button issues.

 

[pharmer]

A very well reasoned post with nothing to do with guns, just like gun control. Joe

 

[RightArm]

I control my guns pretty well.

 

[mwtdvm]

My Sister

is a rabid anti-gunner. Logic has no place in her thought processes. She knows she is right and no one will ever change her mind. I do the only thing I can do under the circumstances – after listening to her, I go out and buy another gun!

Definition of a rabid Republican: a liberal who's just been mugged and robbed.

 

[GatorFarmer]

Howard Unruh shot up his neighborhood just after WW2. He had been a tank gunner during the Battle of the Bulge. Not much is new. People just forget.

 

[chud333]

Most of the Liberal crowd will NOT hold a sane, sensible,
conversation on the issue. They believe that ANYTHING or
ANYBODY whose opinions and thoughts differ from their own
are not even entitled to Freedom of Speech. But when their own
agendas are affected( in any way shape or form ) or infringed
upon they scream bloody murder. They then resort to name calling
or labeling. It's just the way of the Liberal. The Media has supported
this way of life for them for so long they can't even imagine that
their views may be wrong or mis-guided.

Chuck

 

[dswancutt]

I would bring up strong gun control states such as New York, Illinois, and California, specifically cities such as NYC, Chicago and LA. Have THEM explain why, is spite of very restrictive gun control laws, gun crime is still happening.

 

[mc5aw]

Unfortunately, many viable talking points are not viable simply because of impassioned close-mindedness.

 

[dougb1946]

Most of the Liberal crowd will NOT hold a sane, sensible,
conversation on the issue. They believe that ANYTHING or
ANYBODY whose opinions and thoughts differ from their own
are not even entitled to Freedom of Speech. But when their own
agendas are affected( in any way shape or form ) or infringed
upon they scream bloody murder. They then resort to name calling
or labeling.

Chuck

Is this an example of name calling or labeling. There are a lot of pro 2A gun owners and gun carriers out there who are well educated and perfectly able to listen to and argue from the facts of a situation. Frankly, the extreme views of conservatives scare me as much as the extreme views of liberals. As a side light, it seems higher education leads to developing liberal tendencies-something to think about.

 

[Airpark]

Speaking of today's youth and their mores', I watched a program on the History Channel yesterday entitled......"HIPPIES"...it was all about Haight Asbury, LSD, cocaine, entertainment & recreational sex, etc., and how it got started in the 60's by the youth looking for a Utopia in which they could be totally free. Anything and everything...with...NO responsibility.

Today is not much different.

If you get a chance, watch it, it is very interesting.

 

[John Fritz]

... She knows she is right and no one will ever change her mind. I do the only thing I can do under the circumstances – after listening to her, I go out and buy another gun! ...

This certainly illustrates the fact that every problem has a solution so long as all parties involved are willing to work together towards solving their differences.

So does she work with you and help carry the guns out to the car when you're done with the transfers?

 

[StatesRightist]

Is this an example of name calling or labeling. There are a lot of pro 2A gun owners and gun carriers out there who are well educated and perfectly able to listen to and argue from the facts of a situation. Frankly, the extreme views of conservatives scare me as much as the extreme views of liberals. As a side light, it seems higher education leads to developing liberal tendencies-something to think about.

It's called the indoctrination of the gullible.

....and you are stereotyping Conservatives as uneducated, which is laughable.

 

[StatesRightist]

Speaking of today's youth and their mores', I watched a program on the History Channel yesterday entitled......"HIPPIES"...it was all about Haight Asbury, LSD, cocaine, entertainment & recreational sex, etc., and how it got started in the 60's by the youth looking for a Utopia in which they could be totally free. Anything and everything...with...NO responsibility.

Today is not much different.

If you get a chance, watch it, it is very interesting.

I think you are missing the correlation........

This was the start of the the downward slide of the US and the "Hippies" were the self obsessed 80's business moguls, the Enron people of yesterday and the parents who created the dysfunctional youth of today.

Again, JMO.

 

[ditrina]

Just a gentle reminder for a hot topic..

Thanks...

1. We ask that you conduct yourselves as ladies and gentlemen. Civil Discourse and Courteous Behavior shall be the norm.

2. Remember- opinions will differ. Get over it. State your opinion calmly, and allow others to state theirs. Discussion will be fine, but there is no need to take a thread into a verbal fistfight or shouting match.

3. Do NOT descend into personal attacks on a member.
Naiveté, or viewpoints different from yours are no reason to call a member an idiot or moron.
If a poster is obnoxious, report him and ignore him.

 

[paud]

There is a distinctive difference between liberal politics and liberal education. Liberal education means a lot of..everything...math, science, history, art, music, etc. It is like a "liberal" amount of whiskey, or water, or money. Over the years definitions of Liberal and Conservative in politics has changed. It has changed a lot in my lifetime.
No one person knows the answer to "gun control" that will satisfy all. I think NO answer or solution will satisfy all. But is it possible to satisfy most? Rights vs. Safety is how I see it. I wish I know how to balance it all.

 

[LVSteve]

Minds that are made up have no wish to be bothered by facts. Highly polarised views get a lot of media time because it generates "interest", AKA advertising money.

In past days those in the media would have listened while rolling their eyes to themselves and never published/broadcast the extremes. These days not only are they scared of not getting the ratings, but NOT reporting what is said to you could be construed as infringing the crazy's 1st amendment rights. Yeah, I agree that concept is BS as there is no law that says the media have to broadcast all they see and hear, even when it is the truth.

If you think the gun/politics/abortion folk can be bloody minded about this, try talking rationally to conspiracy theorists. If you question anything they say, you are accused of being part of the conspiracy. What is sad is that I think they believe it.

While the media continues to be ratings driven and keep on giving undue weight to the extremists and plain fruit loops in our society, the more impressionable folks there will be who see it and pick up on it, often because they think it is a reflection of the majority of our society that was hidden from them. What a crock, they are the fringe. You do not hear about those of us in the middle because we are just too boring for the modern media industry.

 

[ParadiseRoad]

gun control issues with everyone. Lots of people just start yelling, don't seem to want to listen to what we call facts and what they call propaganda. So, that being said, I think the real problem is not gun related at all, but is best visualized by why this kind of stuff didn't happen before just a few years ago. I believe the real problem lies in the upbringing of our young, the "hands-off" notion, the loss of socializing with peers, level of violence in all forms of media influencing them, and the idolizing of "the dark side", leading to an entire generation of youth who have no goals, no structure, and no respect for anything, including life. What say you?

...I think you are exactly right...but that's because you thought it out logically instead of reacting emotionally.

 

[chud333]

Is this an example of name calling or labeling. There are a lot of pro 2A gun owners and gun carriers out there who are well educated and perfectly able to listen to and argue from the facts of a situation. Frankly, the extreme views of conservatives scare me as much as the extreme views of liberals. As a side light, it seems higher education leads to developing liberal tendencies-something to think about.

Glad you think so sir. As of yet i have not been able to
find "any" to hold a conversation and explain to me the
merits of Gun Control in a rational manner.
There are and have been some who would be called
"Trolls" on this fine "pro-gun" site.
If my views of wanting to keep my arms makes me
"Extremist" in your eyes so be it.
Maybe those with higher education do not have all
the answers after all ???
Something else to ponder. As another member has
so eloquently stated in the past. Go in Peace.

Chuck

 

[Moe W]

One problem that is always prominent

is the constant labeling. If someone came from another planet and could understand the English language he would think that everyone is either conservative or liberal. Then people of various beliefs start seeing everything related to guns in either black or white. Thus, there is a predominate belief that there is nothing in between the two extremes of belief. The first thing we should all do is top using these two labels so much and with so much anger and hate and antipathy.