Taurus

I notice that so far most of the negative talk about Taurus in just this thread has also been said much the same about S&W in this forum. I also notice that all it seems to take is the mere mention of Taurus for the brand bashing to start up with the usual comments. Go to the Taurus Armed forum and find the factory tour thread. Take note of the sheer volume of firearms they move. Note the size of the repair dept. Any brand of gun has failures on record. None of them have the Holy Grail status that we may wish they should have. The Colt vs. S&W debate will never die. And my Taurus M445 shoots .44 specials just fine and is a blast at the range and all kinds of fun to reload for it. Why did I buy it? Because I wanted an all steel five shot .44 special and S&W won't make the 696 anymore and used they cost an arm and a leg. Neither has my bullet hose of a PT-92 ever failed me. I no longer know where I'm going with this. All I know is the constant Taurus bashing threads must just be getting on my nerves. I will do my best to avoid them in the future. I mean no offense to those that don't care for them and will just cut it off here.

Don't take it personal. Some of us have earned the right to bash Taurus. And I will do so every time one of these threads comes up.

Not bashing Taurus owners mind you, just the gun.

I have purchased 7 or 8 Taurus guns. All were new. And all failed within 50 rounds or so. And no, I'm not hard on guns.

I gave them an honest chance and they failed. They work for some folks and I'm and genuinely happy for them. But Taurus is more "miss" than "hit". I don't want to go through those frustrating games again.
 
I had a Taurus model 83 4" adjustable sight 38 spl, it shot fine and I never had any problems, but double action trigger was horrible. Fit and finish was lacking. But it worked. It was an older gun, made in 1993. I have not heard much good about their newer stuff.
 
Apparently Taurus makes two different types of handguns, ones that are a very good value for the money or one that will never be right no matter how many trips it may get to the warranty canter.
I’ve owned a 2” Taurus M-617, a knock off of the S&W M681, for three or so years, I've put somewhere between 2,000- 3,000 rounds of assorted 38 special +P, +P+, and .357 Magnum ammo through it without a problem of any kind. Yet I will not willing to take a **** shoot on a second Taurus handgun.
 
I have over 13K rounds through my Taurus 94 stainless and while the DA trigger IS a little heavy I've never had the need to post a "Why are there so many duds in Brand X bulk ammo threads." Yeas, at the time I bought it if I could have found a used S&W 22 at the same price as a new Taurus I'd have bought the S&W. But that was over 10 years ago and I'm still looking.
 
Well as a deciding point for all those who insist on Buying American, only 3 Taurus firearms are made in the USA. The PT 22, PT 25 and the TCP 738. The rest come from Brazil.

They are repaired in Miami Fl and have a state of the art plant there.

Oh , and they use MIM parts.;):D

Just think, SW and Taurus were once related.:)
 
Canted barrels, cracked frames, tool marks, chattering in the bore, cracked MIM parts, cracked forged parts, poor lock up, bad cylinder timing, barrels breaking off, poor machining on extractor star... Funny, one would think these are all only Taurus complaints but these same complaints pop up here with fair regularity. The difference is that we sometimes want to place S&W on this pedestal like they are the pinnacle of firearms perfection. Or at least some of us talk that way. I still get a good laugh out of that old ad that shows a hamburger in the shape of a GP100 on a bun. It said something about how they only want thickness in a burger and not their gun. It was a poke at how Ruger casts the GP100 frame and how S&W uses forged steel in their frames. My point is I like bashing when it's clever and not ugly, but the constant bashing here is borderline childish at times.
 
It's not childish if you have purchased a half-dozen or so and tried to get at least half of them to work out-of-the-box. If you're not a home-spun gunsmith (or really lucky) and purchase a new Taurus....you're SOL. I actually do not care to own any recent S&W either, so I agree with you on that point. I think QC is slipping at Holy Grail HQ as well.
 
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Canted barrels, cracked frames, tool marks, chattering in the bore, cracked MIM parts, cracked forged parts, poor lock up, bad cylinder timing, barrels breaking off, poor machining on extractor star... Funny, one would think these are all only Taurus complaints but these same complaints pop up here with fair regularity. The difference is that we sometimes want to place S&W on this pedestal like they are the pinnacle of firearms perfection. Or at least some of us talk that way. I still get a good laugh out of that old ad that shows a hamburger in the shape of a GP100 on a bun. It said something about how they only want thickness in a burger and not their gun. It was a poke at how Ruger casts the GP100 frame and how S&W uses forged steel in their frames. My point is I like bashing when it's clever and not ugly, but the constant bashing here is borderline childish at times.

Childish or not, Taurus has problems with their new guns. More than any other gun maker. That's a fact. So they deserve to be bashed. There's nothing childish about telling the truth. It's childish to support a company such as Taurus and act like they are picked on for no reason. :eek:
 
Canted barrels, cracked frames, tool marks, chattering in the bore, cracked MIM parts, cracked forged parts, poor lock up, bad cylinder timing, barrels breaking off, poor machining on extractor star... Funny, one would think these are all only Taurus complaints but these same complaints pop up here with fair regularity. The difference is that we sometimes want to place S&W on this pedestal like they are the pinnacle of firearms perfection. Or at least some of us talk that way. I still get a good laugh out of that old ad that shows a hamburger in the shape of a GP100 on a bun. It said something about how they only want thickness in a burger and not their gun. It was a poke at how Ruger casts the GP100 frame and how S&W uses forged steel in their frames. My point is I like bashing when it's clever and not ugly, but the constant bashing here is borderline childish at times.

Bob, do you really think the "failure rate" of any kind is the same for S&W as it is for Taurus/Rossi??

Ruger casts a lot of stuff, not just for Ruger and not just gun parts. They cast frames for other gun makers.

Glocks are constantly bashed and they seem to be the only guns that blow up ( I do not believe it)

Many,many here on the forum own them but call them "tools" The SW versions are nothing but direct copies, but them seem to be accepted cause they are SW.

How many pro or competition shooters are using Taurus guns?
How many Military or LEO? (maybe in S America)

What's a Taurus worth when you sell or trade it?

As I mentioned, some of their designs are great and their semi autos seem to fair better. The revolvers just have a bad track record overall.
 
Well, this is nice. They won't refund my money. They wil only fix the problem. I filed a compliant with the Better Business Bueruea today. Hope they can do something about it. Honestly, I wouldn't even feel comfortable selling it to someone after they supposedly fix it. Who knows what else is wrong with it. I don't know how they stay in business. I do know they have lost my business and I will strongly discourage anyone from buying anything from them.
 
Well, this is nice. They won't refund my money. They wil only fix the problem. I filed a compliant with the Better Business Bueruea today. Hope they can do something about it. Honestly, I wouldn't even feel comfortable selling it to someone after they supposedly fix it. Who knows what else is wrong with it. I don't know how they stay in business. I do know they have lost my business and I will strongly discourage anyone from buying anything from them.

Taurus does have a policy that if the can not fix a gun in (I think) 60 days or less than they will replace it. But that being said no company will replace a gun without first attempting to fix the problem which is reasonable. Problem with Taurus VS SW or some other companies (even Kel Tec) who will send you a call tag, is that the owner has to pay to ship it to Miami unless you guns shop will foot the shipping for you.

Good luck
 
I mentioned this in another post, but Taurus has a "Review Board". Nobody seems to know how often they meet. Even the Taurus guys think it's a bunch of folks huddled-up in a room filled with cigar smoke and they flip a coin in the decision-making process. They will replace a gun, but you have to prove that it can't be fixed, which unfortunately for the OP.....may take 2-3 trips to Miami. You're going to have to give them a chance to fix it. If they don't, it will then go before review for a replacement. You could be (at least) weeks away or months to get a good gun...if that even ever happens. They don't mind waiting you out....Public Relations is not one of their strong points.
 
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I have a Taurus M85 UL, 5 shot, .38 spl +P, 2" snubby. Its a solid dependable weapon. Very accurate and light weight making it, for me at least a dandy carry piece. I didn't pay nearly as much as a Smith with the same credentials sells for consequently I don't mind the occasional nick and scrape associated with daily carry.

If someone was breaking into my home late at night I can't imagine how uncomfortable I'd be reaching for a Taurus. Brrrrr! I do have complete faith in my model 60.
 
Taurus puts an atrocious hammer and trigger spring in the 22 and 22-mag revolvers. They can be tamed with Wolff springs and be turned into pretty good shooters. I have owned several in 22, 38 and 327 Magnum. My success rate is around 30%. What I mean is....most of the time when you get a new one, some "adjustments" are in order. I have had two 85's and one 327 that required light machining in the recoil-shield. The rounds would drag on the recoil shield hitting gouges and burrs left by poor machining locking-up the gun. The very first thing one should do after unpacking the revolver is strip it and clean it. Be sure to remove all the cosmoline, mill-shavings and floor sweepings. You can make a really good shooting gun out of their model 85 or the model 327 (if they still make it). Taurus goes "on-again-off-again" in their model line. It's hard to keep up with what's available.

If you are a pretty good home gunsmith, you can polish and clean one into a good shooter. QC is simply non existent. Yes...they do have a lifetime warranty but it may take you a year to get one that works after you send it back-n-forth to Miami. They eventually replaced one for me after some 4-months of waiting for a decision and yes....I had to fix the replacement they sent.

New Spring in my 94 Ultra Lite right out of the box. This revolver has been phenomenal for me with over 1.3k rounds through it. Wouldn't trade this Taurus in for anything. This will be the handgun I teach my son to shoot with.
 
not to be a ***,i woudnt have a taraus if you gave it to me.

I agree.....it amazes me how folks continue to buy Taurus firearms ( I know "cheap" sells) but there are sooooo many instances of the things not working, poor quality, etc.. etc.. that it makes no sence to me why someone would take the risk of buying a Taurus when there are so many other good firearms available. :rolleyes:

Don
 
If someone was breaking into my home late at night I can't imagine how uncomfortable I'd be reaching for a Taurus. Brrrrr! I do have complete faith in my model 60.

I have a model 12 Winchester shotgun leaning in the corner, a Ruger SR40 in the bedside drawer and a S&W 686 in the chest of drawers... all within easy reach and all loaded.

The Taurus sets loaded in the room in the finished basement where we spend most of our time, a loaded 10/22 with Express hollow points is in the closet down there. If I were in the basement I would have to grab the Taurus first. After many many rounds thru it without a misque I'm as sure as anything it will go off. I pity the fool that tries breaking into my home at any time.

I don't care what anybody here or anyplace else says about Taurus. I like my Taurus M85 UL. It has proved to be a dependable weapon. It looks and shoots good.

BTW my S&W 686 came form the factory with a canted barrel the Taurus did not.
 
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I have a model 12 Winchester shotgun leaning in the corner, a Ruger SR40 in the bedside drawer and a S&W 686 in the chest of drawers... all within easy reach and all loaded.

The Taurus sets loaded in the room in the finished basement where we spend most of our time, a loaded 10/22 with Express hollow points is in the closet down there. If I were in the basement I would have to grab the Taurus first. After many many rounds thru it without a misque I'm as sure as anything it will go off. I pity the fool that tries breaking into my home at any time.

I don't care what anybody here or anyplace else says about Taurus. I like my Taurus M85 UL. It has proved to be a dependable weapon. It looks and shoots good.

BTW my S&W 686 came form the factory with a canted barrel the Taurus did not.

Guess you were one of the lucky one's.;):rolleyes:

But the question is..... Would you buy another? And would your LUCK be the same? :eek:
 
Guess you were one of the lucky one's.;):rolleyes:

But the question is..... Would you buy another? And would your LUCK be the same? :eek:

If you were to visit the revolver board here 1980 to present you would find several incidences of faulty new S&W revolvers being sold presently. Some of those folks were unlucky.

If I were in the market for a new gun and Taurus made what I wanted as they did when I bought the 85 UL I would not hesitate. Price alone does not dictate quality.

Some folks set at their Chinese computer keyboard praising made in USA wearing shoes from China, skivvies and socks from Pakistan, shirts from Honduras and Jeans from Mexico.
 
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Hello all, new to this forum, I seen your taurus post, and thought Id add my 2 cents, Im a 1911 nut, and i recently purchased, a SS taurus PT 1911AR.Im very impressed with this pistol !, the way its made, the way it shoots, no FTF's, no FTE's. The fit and finish. I must have got a good one, Ive heard other people that have had problems, with the ambi safety falling out, extractor breaking, ect. But I have had good luck with this pistol. Not trying to sell any one on the taurus, but Ive had good luck with mine.
 
If you were to visit the revolver board here 1980 to present you would find several incidences of faulty new S&W revolvers being sold presently. Some of those folks were unlucky.

If I were in the market for a new gun and Taurus made what I wanted as they did when I bought the 85 UL I would not hesitate. Price alone does not dictate quality.

Some folks set at their Chinese computer keyboard praising made in USA wearing shoes from China, skivvies and socks from Pakistan, shirts from Honduras and Jeans from Mexico.

The Smith complaints are usually by those that know better than to waste money on Taurus.

Like I said, you were lucky. That's all. I owned two 85's and they both broke. So don't try to convince me about their junk. :eek:
 
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