If that's the case I'll be on the phone with S&W in the morning.
Texas DPS ditches M&P and returns to SIG
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If that's the case I'll be on the phone with S&W in the morning.
leejack
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Too much hype about what LE agencies use.
20+ in the military and I don't own an M9 either.
I get what I want, no politics, no kool-aid and no training problems.
20+ in the military and I don't own an M9 either.
I get what I want, no politics, no kool-aid and no training problems.
Is it too late to toss in the obligatory "They should have specified 3rd generation semi autos in .45ACP" comment?
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You mean like the 3rd G folks?
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Badkarma 1
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Funny, I could have sworn you have a couple of posts over there too?
Dale
I own a bunch of them but don't spend all my time running down other people's choices (ie M&P's) in guns.
Seems we've seen this before
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/354030-bashing-crying-whining.html
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I own a bunch of them but don't spend all my time running down other people's choices (ie M&P's) in guns.
Seems we've seen this before
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/354030-bashing-crying-whining.html
Funny I don't seem to recall runnin down anybody choosin and M&P, just offered options and opinions.
You servin cheese with your whine?
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Yikes! I love my Compact 9 but has Glock Pistols ever had these same problems? It seems Glock pistols are not a pretty but they got a proven design where MP is still working on quality control. Can anybody name a law enforcement agency that bought Glock pistols and then had to dump them for FTF and FTE?
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I don't think this is a fair comparison. The MP Compact 9 and Shield are relatively new out of the box and having issues. Where the Glocks were 12 years old, of course I am sure after 12 years extractors can wear out. reloads were used, and lead bullets which don't work well in polygonal rifling. I suspect the Glock 21 were blowing up because of the reloads being improperly reloaded. I never heard of a gun blowing up unless it had a double charge or hot load.
I still love my Smith and Wesson 9c but plan on holding off on purchasing a second one until I see how this pans out.
I don't think this is a fair comparison. The MP Compact 9 and Shield are relatively new out of the box and having issues. Where the Glocks were 12 years old, of course I am sure after 12 years extractors can wear out. reloads were used, and lead bullets which don't work well in polygonal rifling. I suspect the Glock 21 were blowing up because of the reloads being improperly reloaded. I never heard of a gun blowing up unless it had a double charge or hot load.
I still love my Smith and Wesson 9c but plan on holding off on purchasing a second one until I see how this pans out.
Doug M.
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ANY manufacturer can have design and QC problems, and they do. They also tend to show up in hard use settings first. Patrol officers don't shoot near as much as they should once leaving the academy, so the problems tend to show first in the academy setting and among officers/units that train more. The issues with some Glock models are well known in LE. Many agencies have had really nasty encounters with Glock over this stuff, and I know officers who have been involved as trainers in dealing with this crud.
Back to the topic: I think there is something not truly related to the pistols going on at DPS. All it takes is one person in the right person who has an agenda, and things get weird. Seen it first hand.
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Yup! NYPD has a rash of Stage 3 malfunctions back in the 90s and had to threaten to dump Glock and go with Ruger to get Gkock to respond. And go back to '09 when the 4 Gen premiered there was everything short of a witch hunt going on there!
Thing to remember here though is if you buy an M&P and it isn't right, call Smith and they should take care of you.
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DocSunShine
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Glocks as much as I like them have had their fair share of issues... The NYPD stage 3 malfunctions, a rash if .40 kabooms, brass to the face/erratic ejection (watch how ugly those extractions are in slow motion) of 9mm Gen4s that occasionally causes a stove pipes, .40 weapon light issues, earlier models had frames cracking mostly on .40s... In reality some Gen4s still suffer from BTF/EE to this day (Apex extractors fix the issue however) and Glock has told many owners to kick rocks over the issue as well (Glock does not offer a lifetime warranty like Smith does)...
Don't get me wrong I like Glock but they've had their fair share of issues as a company, my Gen3 has been perfect which is the experience of MOST Glock owners just like it's the experience of MOST M&P owners.
silversport
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...and like so many things... w a y overblown on the error-net...
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