Thankful for a jam

[novalty]

This past Sunday I went to the range with some family. While one of them was trying out a new CZ P-07 they experienced a feed jam with factory ammo. So he dropped the mag, and racked the slide. So we go over to inspect, and to our surprise see the bullet and case laying separately on the ground. Upon further inspection we find that the case was a .380acp with a 115gr. FMJ bullet. To me it was another reason not to buy factory ammo.

 

[gm272gs]

That is strange that it separated. Both 9mm and .380 projectiles are the same diameter. Maybe the 9mm die didn't crimp it tight enough to keep it in? I would say that turned out to be a very good thing!

I have never heard of that happening with factory ammunition.
You should mail the components (and the part of the box that lists the lot number) to the factory with a letter, explaining what happened. They might send you free stuff.

 

[moxie]

Not sure how that could happen.

But, it is another reason to inspect your factory ammo before loading it into the mag.

 

[Rule3]

Upon further inspection we find that the case was a .380acp with a 115gr. FMJ bullet. To me it was another reason not to but factory ammo.

Actually, it is another reason for the person who loaded the mag to see the difference between a 380 and a 9mm.

What 380 factory ammo is loaded with a 115 bullet?

The plot thickens

 

[reddog81]

What 380 factory ammo is loaded with a 115 bullet?

I'm guessing the problem was a 9mm bullet loaded into a 380 case. The CZ P-07 is typically a 9mm so the box of ammo was probably 9mm.

If paying attention when loading the magazine it would be rather obvious that one of the cases was smaller than normal. I'm kind of surprised that a bullet just fell out. The 115 grain bullet should have been held in securely by neck tension of the 380 case

 

[Arik]

That sucks, glad you cought it but I wouldn't even consider that a reason not buy factory.

 

[novalty]

My eyes can't quickly see the difference between 380acp and 9mm when I grab a handful of bullets to load, but the head stamp is a dead giveaway.

The CZ P-07 is chambered in 9mm. Not sure how the 380 case got into the batch of 9mm at the factory. I was shocked to see the bullet completed separate from the case. You would think the cartridge would have loaded without issues. The only thing I can think is that the bullet itself got lodged in chamber due to angle, and when he racked it the extractor pulled it apart.

As mentioned, this isn't a valid reason not to buy factory ammo, the person who loaded and shot the gun should have caught the out of place case when he loaded the magazine. Cost is the biggest reason I don't buy factory ammo.

 

[H Richard]

Never with a loaded round, but o quite often get empty brass I'm picking up get a couple of 380's mixed in. In the handful I'm tossing in my bucket or the tumbler, I don't notice the little difference, but when it goes into the 550 I have never missed one. Always irritates me when that happens.

 

[Magload]

Never with a loaded round, but o quite often get empty brass I'm picking up get a couple of 380's mixed in. In the handful I'm tossing in my bucket or the tumbler, I don't notice the little difference, but when it goes into the 550 I have never missed one. Always irritates me when that happens.

Yep been there done that and it makes a funny looking load. Got one in my scrap tray right now. It ranks right in there with loading small primer 45 ACP brass and getting a large case mixed in. Don

 

[Doubless]

I am very meticulous when it comes to sorting brass, but as a caster for the last 35 years, I have played with 115s in the .380 extensively. They shoot just fine, but the load is not for those who like to hotrod their pistols...

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I would be suspicious of any ammo from that store! That problem is not ever likely from the factory (at least in the USA) I would inspect all ammo that isn't sealed or shrink wrapped before leaving the store! Because it sounds like someone is playing with the ammo! Back when Galayn's was in business, they didn't sell 28 gauge shells by the case, I bought 10 boxes of Fiochi HV 3/4 oz. As I carried them to the counter I noticed they rattled, so we opened one box, then another. Out of the 20 boxes they had 25 shells were missing. Somebody stole a box of shell a few at a time! Ivan

 

[Forrest r]

Bullet can't seat deep enough in the 380acp case when the dies are set for 9mm. Hence, no crimp and not enough neck tension to hold the bullet.

 

[forestswin]

For some reason I was thinking strawberry when I saw the thread title......

But seriously, was it a box of reloads, not factory new? Dick's sporting goods in our area sell boxes of reloads.

 

[MarkDozier]

Forrest R, you are wrong/ I recently loaded three 380 cases with 147 grain 9 mm bullets. I know this because I always load my ammo boxes at the end of a run and the 380 is much shorter in the box. The neck tension was good on the case too.

 

[Hook686]

Who loaded the magazine? I think it is stretching things for anybody to mistake a .380 with a 9mm.

 

[Forrest r]

Forrest R, you are wrong/ I recently loaded three 380 cases with 147 grain 9 mm bullets. I know this because I always load my ammo boxes at the end of a run and the 380 is much shorter in the box. The neck tension was good on the case too.

Thank you for correcting me.

Next time you experiment you might try the shorter 115gr fmj bullets the op was using/shooting. For some odd reason the the lllooooonnnnngggeeeerrrrr 147gr bullet stands a better chance of case/neck tension than the shorter 115gr bullet.

Hence: .200" longer bullet wouldn't be affected in a .070" shorter case.

Anyway, good for you for trying different things.