The Complete 3rd Gen Model List

[pmosley]

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FWIW, the 28-1 was a unicorn, believed to be purely theoretical until a few weeks ago when ONE finally surfaced. Could be true of these, too.

Other issue: are there photos of the 6924/6926 and 6944/6946?

6944 coming up

SKJOS - thank you for this output. Great job.

 

[skjos]

Added the 4516 (-3) to the list. I'm trying to limit the amount of detail to keep the list manageable, so only the more significant changes are shown between the dash variants.

Added phantom models from S&W parts list 3944, 3946, and 5923.

DAO model change added to the bottom of the list.

My info comes from the SWSC and the 27th BBGV, both of which are copyright 2006. Hopefully the latest BBGV will under the tree this year.

 

[Denver Dick]

You'll probably being getting comments on the list for awhile, so I get that you don't want to be revising every couple of hours.

Seeeeeeeee . . .

 

[mbliss57]

How much do you plan to charge per copy when this is finished?
Awesome undertaking. I will be very interested in a copy when it is finished.

 

[Gunhacker]

Since you mention the CHP variation of the 4006TSW... how about the CHP variation of the 4006? It differs from the standard 4006 in that it has a bobbed hammer and the trigger free play spring is omitted from the trigger draw bar, and is shown in the S&W parts listing as a 4006CHP.

The California State Park rangers were also issued the 4006CHP, mine is the one mentioned in the S&WCA 3rd Ed on page 304.

 

[Denver Dick]

skjos:

I was looking at some of the information in your list on 4516 pistols. In my factory letters from Roy Jinks in 2007 regarding both my 4516-1 and 4516-2, Roy states:

This compact model was introduced in December of 1988 and was given the Model designation of Model 4516. This pistol featured a 3.5 inch barrel, a lightened frame, .260 inch wide bobbed hammer, seven shot magazine, with an overall length of 7 1/8 inch, and weight of 34 oz. In 1989 the factory became concerned with the reduced size weight slide and a heavier slide was made for this model changing the weight to 34.5 oz. This heavier slide model was called the Model 4516-1. In late 1992, the Model 4516-1 was temporarily discontinued to allow the engineers to develop an improved magazine and extractor. It was reintroduced in December 1993 with these improvements as well as a broached through breech face and widened barrel hood. When reintroduced it was called the Model 4516-2. It remained in production until the summer of 1997 when it was discontinued and replaced with the new compact .45 caliber Model 4513TSW

Based on Roy's letter it appears the production dates for the 4516 should be 1988-89, the 4516-1 should be 1989-92, and the 4516-2 should be 1993-97. Also, it appears the 4516 came with dual recoil springs, 4516-1 originally came with a single recoil spring, and the 4516-2 came with the dual recoil spring set up.

HTH

 

[427mach1]

I've never heard of a non-TSW 4013 double stack. I believe the pre-TSW was only available single stack. Then, as you have indicated, there were two versions of the double-stack TSW; one without a rail and one with a rail. I could be wrong but......

 

[scwv67]

Since you mention the CHP variation of the 4006TSW... how about the CHP variation of the 4006? It differs from the standard 4006 in that it has a bobbed hammer and the trigger free play spring is omitted from the trigger draw bar, and is shown in the S&W parts listing as a 4006CHP.

The California State Park rangers were also issued the 4006CHP, mine is the one mentioned in the S&WCA 3rd Ed on page 304.

I kinda wish I'd scooped on of those up awhile back when Robertson's had a few.

 

[skjos]

DD,
I updated the production dates for the 4516.
Thread "4516 vs. 4516-1 vs. 4516-2" states a dual recoil spring for the no-dash, so I've changed the comment to "may have single or dual recoil spring" to cover both instances. Your historically letter wouldn't happen to have production numbers would it?

GH,
Added the CHP 4006; while its features are not really that unique, it is listed as a separate model in the S&W parts list.

Now if someone can tell me what the heck a M5946RCMP is?

 

[P33v3]

This is a classic and should be a sticky permanently. Great resource. Great work.

 

[GaryS]

DD,
Now if someone can tell me what the heck a M5946RCMP is?

That's the 5946 that was made for the RCMP. DAO version of the 5906. S&W also made them for the NYPD. All stainless, double stack, 9mm.

Of course being a Canadian version, it only shot the hard to find 9mmNerf.

 

[scwv67]

M5946RCMP,

Methinks the RCMP, indicates something made for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, M5946 maybe means a 5946 with a Melonite finish. Someone with more knowledge than me can chime in.

 

[BruceB]

I've never heard of a non-TSW 4013 double stack. I believe the pre-TSW was only available single stack. Then, as you have indicated, there were two versions of the double-stack TSW; one without a rail and one with a rail. I could be wrong but......

I'll concede that, since I brought it up.

I was thinking of the non-rail "Tactical" 4013, but I see now that they are actually marked 'Mod 4013TSW' on the frame.

 

[427mach1]

I'll concede that, since I brought it up.

I was thinking of the non-rail "Tactical" 4013, but I see now that they are actually marked 'Mod 4013TSW' on the frame.

Yep, I'm wearing one right now - a late 96 production date!

 

[skjos]

5946 (RCMP) added.
4013 double stack pre-rail removed.

 

[gasaman]

How about adding the DAO versions of the CS series guns. I own a CS9D, which is a DAO CS9.
Anyone else own a CS9D, CS40D or CS45D?

 

[Denver Dick]

DD,
I updated the production dates for the 4516.
Thread "4516 vs. 4516-1 vs. 4516-2" states a dual recoil spring for the no-dash, so I've changed the comment to "may have single or dual recoil spring" to cover both instances. Your historically letter wouldn't happen to have production numbers would it?

Okay, I read the thread you noted and understand the confusion. The 4516 (no dash) was manufactured with one recoil spring as was my 4516-1. However, after the introduction of the dual recoil spring set with the 4516-2, S&W offered an upgrade to those who wanted to send in their earlier 4516 and 4516-1 pistols. In fact, I did just that with my 4516-1 which now has a dual spring set. Because the recoil spring rod for the dual spring set has a much smaller diameter than the original rod, the factory would insert a bushing in the slide during the upgrade process. This "bushing" was referred to a couple of times in the thread you referenced. There were also a few other things the factory would do to the pistols getting an upgrade. Thus, the 4516 and 4516-1 pistols that are now being observed with a dual spring set were sent back to the factory for the free upgrade. They were not originally shipped from the factory that way.

As for production numbers, no there were none mentioned in the factory letters I have.

[** Oops, it appears my comments about the 4516 (no dash) were in error, see below.]

I've checked more closely on this issue (and directly communicated with an original owner who stills has his original 4516 (no dash) and it appears that the 4516 (no dash) came from the factory with a dual spring set. Thus, it seems S&W made the pistol originally with a dual spring set (4516), S&W then added weight to the slide and went to a single spring (4516-1), and finally S&W decided that the dual spring set was the way to go after all and went back to it (4516-1 upgraded at the factory and the 4516-2).

HTH

 

[skjos]

Added two-tone variations for the 410, 411, 457, and 908 based on SCSW and a recent thread with a two-tone 410.

Added CS*D models.
Also added notes to CS9, CS40, and CS45 for the CS*C and CS*S model shown in the S&W parts list.

Added "Single recoil spring or S&W upgrade to dual recoil spring" to the 4516, this carries over to the 4516-1, and I show the 4516-2 as dual spring only.

 

[k22fan]

More 4516 minutia.

S&W no longer sells single recoil springs or original guide rods for 4516-1s. The description “Single recoil spring or S&W upgrade to dual recoil spring” is correct for the 4516-1. I’m not sure about 4516 no-dashes. I only read on this site that they had dual springs.

4516-1s were sold with magazines with yellow followers marked “For 4516-1 only”, and not for other dash variations. S&W could only have meant they were not to be used in no-dashes as dash 2s didn’t exist yet. The newest black follower magazines with different side indentations came latter, perhaps coincident with the dash 2 as Roy wrote in Denver Dick’s letter. FWIW, all three vintages run fine in my dash 1.

 

[GaryS]

The newer magazines might have the S&W logo on the sides. I have to go through my pile of 457 magazines and see if they all have the logo or just the newer ones with the black followers. I have two magazines with the yellow followers and they do not have the logo.

4516-1s were sold with magazines with yellow followers marked “For 4516-1 only”, and not for other dash variations. S&W could only have meant they were not to be used in no-dashes as dash 2s didn’t exist yet. The newest black follower magazines with different side indentations came latter, perhaps coincident with the dash 2 as Roy wrote in Denver Dick’s letter. FWIW, all three vintages run fine in my dash 1.