'The first shot missed,' - Shooting over Lake Huron

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Perhaps "they" have devised a means to counter a heat seeking missile.
Given the status of training into today's military I would not be too hard on anyone.

 

[SMSgt]

Perhaps "they" have devised a means to counter a heat seeking missile.
Given the status of training into today's military I would be too hard on anyone.

The AIM-9X uses passive IR guidance, a light spectrum, not thermal heat as its guidance. Before you get too critical of today's military training, sometimes electronic things--including missiles--simply fail.

 

[petepeterson]

I've heard that every Sidewinder missile fired comes with a lawyer attached, so aim carefully.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

The US military has a long history of substituting technology for tactics and training.

 

[jpage]

They're called missiles, not hitilles, for a reason.

 

[Heinz]

The AIM-9X uses passive IR guidance, a light spectrum, not thermal heat as its guidance. Before you get too critical of today's military training, sometimes electronic things--including missiles--simply fail.

And the infrared light spectrum is generated by what?? Oh that would be heat.

The pilots are doing their job well, and I agree guidance systems may fail. I have not seen any information on the altitude of the lake balloon. I believe the SC balloon was out of range for 50 cal or 20 mm armament.

 

[ggibson511960]

Sidewinders

AIM-9X Sidewinder missiles are guided by electromagnetic spectrum detectors biased to the infrared-visible light-ultraviolet frequency range, aided by ever improving computer post processing to find the heat or visible light signature of a target. The systems have never been perfect as evidenced by the Sidewinder miss over Lake Huron. However, this latest group of "objects" begs the question of using ballistic gunnery to slowly deflate the envelope. It is certainly an option below the service ceiling of F-15/16/22/35 fighter jets. The mission cost of $400,000 per AIM-9X ignores the per-hour airtime cost of the jet. Even with airtime included an intercept mission could be flown many times using gunnery compared to expending a missile. The Canadian failure notwithstanding, there should be intelligence advantages to slowly bringing down an "object" compared to blowing it to smithereens. If our current generation of fighter pilots cannot put a few 20mm holes in an essentially motionless object as big as a barn, it's time to suspend woke and DEI training until they can. This is economic warfare, trading half-million dollar intercept costs for a thousand dollar gas bag.

 

[SMSgt]

The US military has a long history of substituting technology for tactics and training.

Technology, while requiring training on its own, often will trump tactics and training. The Russians, and others, are learning that the hard way.

 

[Nevada Ed]

Read the link in post #5.

Ahh Soooo;

I usually do not read the "Yellow" fine print, articles.
one reason I made that post.

Who'd a thunk it?

I never said that I was a chemist.

 

[brucev]

I am currently well on the way to developing a Daisy Red Ryder B.B. gun that will be just the right caliber for balloon busting. Finalized testing in the local pond has been 100% effective with a two part B.B. consisting of a steel projectile coated with copper. This allows one to trace the arc of the round as it goes toward the target. Of course, I have a lawn chair standing by with helium filled party balloons and of course a drink holder sized for my Yeti which will be filled with Death Wish coffee to fortify me for the demands of high flight. I plan to let the FAA and the USAF know of my patriotic plan to protect our nation by YouTube and TicTok releases. Sincerely. bruce.

 

[Eagle 477]

400K X 2 wasted on shooting a oversized Mylar Balloon from Wally World.

Rob

 

[martyd]

If I understand correctly the ceiling limit for the fighter is higher than that object.

Why not fly over the object with afterburners on - the wake turbulence should be plenty to bring it down - not to mention heat from the 2 candles.

 

[ladder13]

"Meanwhile, the hunt for debris continues in the lake..."

How about the hunt for the errant missle?

Trust what you've been told.

 

[SMSgt]

And the infrared light spectrum is generated by what?? Oh that would be heat.

Yet it works differently than sensing thermally radiated heat, which many assume it does. It sees the light differences of objects. Too different cold objects are sensed the same as a warm and cold object. Something does not have to be "warm" to be detected.

 

[brucev]

Re: t-62. It may have been vulnerable to a rpg. By now, likely has seen multiple upgrades of protection. So, takes more to destroy. And, of course, one must actually hit a vital spot. Sincerely. bruce.

 

[glenwolde]

I'm sure an emergency order for modified balloon-specific sidewinders has already been issued, no doubt at twice the $400,000 price per unit of the standard model.

 

[Golddollar]

How about the hunt for the errant missle?

They need to borrow some of those big treble hooks from the guys on "Swamp People."

 

[Beemerguy53]

400K X 2 wasted on shooting a oversized Mylar Balloon from Wally World.

Rob

Yep...but at least it keeps the government haters and cultists from complaining that we "didn't do anything"...

 

[venomballistics]

I'm sure everyone here could do much better.

Yeah... It's reported that the first one downed was with an AIM 9, but now it can't work.
Then again, our info is from the same news media that claims revolvers are Glocks

 

[Eagle 477]

Has anyone seen the GoodYear Blimp lately?

Rob