The lawsuit at Front Sight

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I've noticed recently that Front Sight Academy advertises on this forum. Is anyone other than me concerned about their legal issues. Just my opinion, but I am thinking there could be better choices for advertising revenue.
 
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Are there some kind of legal restrictions in place that should (theoretically) be preventing them from advertising their products and/or services? If so, what might they be?
 
Do you have a link for whatever this is all about?

Bob

From this discussion:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/451105858/m/5731014?r=5731014#5731014

Pahrump Valley Times - Nye County's Largest Newspaper Circulation

At 11 a.m. Monday, Front Sight Firearms Training Institute and its president, Ignatius Piazza, went into receivership.

All financial transactions involving the firearms training facility -- from accepting payment for classes to paying staff and vendors -- must take place through a court-appointed administrator.

The facility and all assets have been seized by the court, down to the hundreds of firearms included as part of new members' benefits.

However, despite the ruling, this weekend at Front Sight everything was "business as usual," according to Operations Manager Rick Morello.

He said he knew nothing about the legal proceedings. "We have a big weekend coming up with a full schedule of classes," Morello said. "Business is booming."

The ruling, handed down by U.S. District Judge James Ware in San Jose, Calif., had its beginning in November 2005 when Stacy James, Bill Haag and Michael Schriber filed a class action suit against Piazza on behalf of themselves and other qualified Front Sight members.

The suit mentions "violations of RICO, unfair advertising and competition, Nevada Sale of Subdivided Land Act, fraudulent conveyances, Consumer Legal Remedies Act, Interstate Land Sales Full Disclosure Act, breach of contract and fraud," all based on Piazza's sale of lifetime memberships.

RICO is the acronym for the federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, originally used to target the Mafia and similar organizations.

The three men allege the price of the memberships they and the members of the class purchased were artificially inflated as a result of misrepresentations and non-disclosures.

On October 15, 2007, a settlement was reached and Ware dismissed the suit with the stipulation Front Sight live up to the negotiated terms. A settlement fund of $8,050,000 secured by a lien on Front Sight's assets would let the class foreclose if the fund was not fully funded by October 15, 2008.

Piazza was ordered to put 10 percent of Front Sight's monthly gross revenues into the settlement fund and provide financial documentation showing he was meeting his obligation. He complied, although according to the plaintiff's court filings, the payments were not timely, which comes as no surprise to former employees and suppliers in Pahrump.

The settlement also said Piazza had to allow members who were part of the suit to use their Front Sight memberships until the settlement fund was fully paid. Further, he was ordered by the court not to retaliate or make derogatory remarks against James, Haag and Schriber.

According to C. Keith Greer, attorney for the class, Piazza violated all the agreed upon terms.

At the end of the prescribed year, the fund was short by more than $5.4 million.

The day after the fund came up short, Piazza send a letter to everyone involved in the suit, saying Front Sight was no longer obligated to make additional monthly payments because the class action had forced the first mortgage holder on the property to foreclose.

"This is a lie as no one foreclosed on the property on that day or any day since," said Greer.

Piazza's letter also said Front Sight offered to increase its monthly contribution to the settlement fund from 10 to 20 percent.

Greer said bluntly, "That was also a lie."

But Piazza didn't stop there. He told class members they were "forever banned from Front Sight," which was another violation of the terms.

The same day Piazza sent a letter to non-class members, declaring:

"After they attended over 200 Front Sight Courses and pocketed $830,000 out of the first million dollars I paid timely into the Class Action Settlement Fund, the three malcontents and their ambulance-chasing attorney tried to kill Front Sight and terminate your membership by forcing us into foreclosure. So I cut them (and their followers) off at the knees!

"In this letter I reveal all the gory details and show you how the new Front Sight turned the tables on these back-stabbing saboteurs."

According to Greer, "Defendant Piazza also boasts that, in violation of the court order against encumbering the property, he created Front Sight Management II and signed a 99-year lease with the old Front Sight entity, leasing the land, water rights, entitlements, equipment, weapons, licenses, trademarks, copyrights, intellectual property, Internet sites, accounts, etc. Every asset the old Front Sight had is now leased by the new Front Sight entity."

Greer said it is clear Front Sight "violated every aspect of the court order and settlement agreement."

He added that Piazza did so "notoriously" and "in a manner that flaunts disrespect for the law and the judicial system."

Piazza's gorilla marketing technique of sending frequent e-mails with special price offers to prospective members give Greer and his clients easy access to information. They used Piazza's own words as evidence to show the court Piazza and Front Sight have the money to satisfy the settlement obligation.

On December 30, 2008, Piazza e-mailed members saying Front Sight had doubled in students, members and net worth each year for 12 years. He said, "While others are laying off people, we are hiring." He also said Front Sight had been offered a $25 million letter of credit.

Taking Piazza at his printed word, in March, the class asked to have Piazza appear in court with financial documentation Piazza agreed to supply in the settlement agreement.

In fact, Greer asked Piazza to live up to all the stipulations in the settlement, including paying the claims administrator and stopping interference with the membership rights of class members.

Greer also asked the court to order Piazza to stop publishing disparaging remarks about class members.

Ware granted the request, setting the hearing date for date for March 23.

Piazza did not appear, nor did he send any representative to appear on Front Sight's behalf. He did, however, fire his attorney at the last minute, which the judge called an "eleventh-hour dismissal" when he issued an order for Piazza to show cause why he should not be held in contempt of court and subject to sanctions for failing to appear.

That hearing to show cause was held Monday, resulting in Ware's decision that Front Sight had defaulted on its agreement with the class. All assets belonging to Front Sight and Piazza were seized by the court.

An administrator was appointed to run the organization.


Pahrump Valley Times - Nye County's Largest Newspaper Circulation


On Monday, Front Sight's assets were returned to Ignatius Piazza.

After being in receivership for seven days, Front Sight Firearms Training Institute dodged a bullet but got hit in the wallet.

Piazza is back in control of the organization he founded 12 years ago, pending his making a payment today of more than $600,000 into the already established fund for the members of a class action suit filed against him and Front Sight in November 2005.

In a short hearing two days ago, U.S. District Court Judge James Ware, in San Jose, Calif., discharged George C. Fisher as Front Sight's receiver, relieving him of all his duties and responsibilities.

When Ware appointed Fisher May 11, he stated Piazza was failing to comply with the negotiated settlement handed down in 2007 that listed specific payments and other terms by which Piazza was to abide.

"Good cause exists that Front Sight is deliberately failing to comply with the judgment and will continue to do so," Ware's order stated last week.

However, on Monday Piazza promised the court to make two balloon payments as well as making regular monthly payments over a three-year period to honor the 2007 negotiated settlement.

In October 2008, a court accounting showed Piazza $5.4 million short of the $8 million he agreed to pay to settle the class action filed in 2005 by members of Front Sight's First Family membership program.
 
Aw Hell!
The way TARP (1, and/or 2, and most likely 3!) money is being thrown around, and Bawney, Chris and the crew are lobbying again for zero verified loans, the proprietor @ Front Site could be the Sec-Tres by next February!
 
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The ads are by Google. They simply do a keyword search and the ads are changed to meet the post. The biggest thing that bugs me about frontsight is that they put down individual practice. They want to positively change the image of gun owners away from that of a backwoods hick shooting at beer cans (a rough quote from their promotional video).
 
I clicked the link for them and took the 'test' they had. It was quite appearent that they are Glockophiles and have a love for the 45acp. That in itself is not all bad--- I suppose. But for those of us who like our N frames it is not a place that I would want to visit.
 
Given such legal problems, I would likely chose another school to go to if I were looking for such a thing. But in my case, you don't send Michael Jordan to basketball camp.
 
A couple of comments here, from a graduate of Front Sight.

First, FirebirdV8 is absolutely correct, those ads are fed here from Google, based on keywords used in threads. Apparently Google doesn't have to many "gun" advertisers. So we get what we get. I would rather have Front Sight ads then the "Are you a hot mom" ones...

The biggest thing that bugs me about frontsight is that they put down individual practice. They want to positively change the image of gun owners away from that of a backwoods hick shooting at beer cans (a rough quote from their promotional video).

I can't speak to their promotional video, but I can tell you that when you are at a course they actively promote both live practice and what they refer to as "Dry Presses", what we would call "Dry Firing". So much so that they give you targets to use in the home to practice with, along with a steady diet of admonishment to keep practicing both at home and the range once you leave Front Sight.


I clicked the link for them and took the 'test' they had. It was quite appearent that they are Glockophiles and have a love for the 45acp. That in itself is not all bad--- I suppose. But for those of us who like our N frames it is not a place that I would want to visit.

Several things here. I took the class with a 66-1 2.5 inch and shot .38's the entire time. Not only was I not ostracized, they spent extra time with me to ensure I could handle speed loaders to the same degree others were swapping mags. The instructors were knowledgeable in the proper handling of a revolver and the differences in drills required to attain the level of skill required to pass the course.

During a break one of the instructors and I had a great conversation about him getting a Model 27.

As far as Glock lovers go, after 4 days at Front Sight I had a new respect for the Glock. 40 Guys on the firing line, 15 or so Glocks, the others being 1911's, Kimbers, other assorted "autojammers" and one S&W revolver. Out of the 40,000 rounds fired in those 4 days only two brands of guns had zero failures. That includes FTF, FTE. They were Glock and my S&W.

On Day three, the class spend several hours on FTF, FTE drills. After explaining and showing how the drills were going to proceed, the instructor called me to the front of the class and had me present my firearm.

"FTF Drill with a revolver. You pull the trigger and the gun doesn't go bang, you pull the trigger again! 45Wheelgun, sit back and relax for the next couple of hours"

In reality they had me practice speed loading and other drills while my classmates dealt with FTF/FTF drills.

I didn't pay their outrageous fees for the class, I purchased a "free pass" off of eBay for $100. I must say it was the best time I have had in years.

The only part of the trip I didn't enjoy was during one lunch hour there was a pretty high pressure sales pitch trying to sell "life time" memberships. Seemed like I had stumbled into an AMWAY meeting.

By the end of the week I was able to draw from a concealed holster, and fire two shots dead center mass from 15 yards in less then 2 seconds. I came home a significantly better shot then when I left.

I would go again in a heart beat.
 
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in 2006 time frame i took a 1911 pistol armorers course one day course

i spent more time dealing with the supid sales people offering more class items and lifetime members ships ..

the guy who taught the class was a first rate guy when it came to teaching a bunch of people take and assmbly of the 1911 pistol and how it worked ..
 

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