The media is spreading fear

[transit]

I never mentioned NY state . My numbers are for NYC only.

Yes, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt for understanding the difference between NYC and NYS.

Your numbers are wrong.

CNN is convoluting the state and city numbers. They're doing it on purpose. It creates the schism we have right here.

April 7:

Cuomo Reports 'Largest Single-Day' Increase In Deaths In New York : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

The governor reporting on the entire state.

 

[ladder13]

Again, a quick google
New York City reports a record 800-plus deaths in one day - CNN

Then the Gov is a liar.

 

[pennzy]

Yes, and I gave you the benefit of the doubt for understanding the difference between NYC and NYS.

Your numbers are wrong.

CNN is convoluting the state and city numbers. They're doing it on purpose. It creates the schism we have right here.

What is the motive to cook the books? Are all the experts in on it?
Is Trump in on it? Italy? Spain? China? I don't see why the whole world is on it.

 

[transit]

What is the motive to cook the books? Are all the experts in on it?
Is Trump in on it? Italy? Spain? China? I don't see why the whole world is on it.

Politics.

Forbidden.

-And not necessary to understand that there are not 800 people a day dying of COVID-19 in NYC. That much should be clear from the governor, the mayor, and the NYC Department of Health.

 

[pennzy]

Politics.

Forbidden.

-And not necessary to understand that there are not 800 people a day dying of COVID-19 in NYC. That much should be clear from the governor, the mayor, and the NYC Department of Health.

Where was the politics. And it is 800 total. That number includes the normal deaths too. 143 per day as of 2010 stats.

 

[The Big D]

I know the meaning of extrapolate.

One must extrapolate as there likely are many, many more affected than those who have been tested positive. And there is evidence that the numbers of those listed as dying from Covid-19 did NOT die as the direct result of the virus. Some died 'with it' rather than 'from it.' Yet they are included in the death numbers.

Accordingly, one can thus extrapolate that far more are living than dying once affected by Covid-19.

Be safe.

?...And by extrapolate, do you mean the reported number of cases minus the reported number of deaths? Just a little basic maths will get you the numbers we know are surviving from the totals that they show us every day.

 

[Sheepdogged]

All I know for sure is that I posted a video from the first scientist to discover an ocean virus (German biologist/virologist Stefan Lanka) and facebook removed it stating I violated it's community standards policy.

 

[transit]

Where was the politics. And it is 800 total. That number includes the normal deaths too. 143 per day as of 2010 stats.

The politics is why I think some of this is going on.



There is no 800-deaths-per-day in NYC number.

It doesn't exist.

That's what I'm asking you to understand. There is no data to support that.

I understand that CNN and the Daily Mail said it.

But the NYC Department of Health says it's false.

The Mayor of NYC says it's false.

The Governor of NYS says it's false.

I'm not sure why you refuse to be convinced. I see where you got the idea, but it's false.

There's no reason to hold onto that false number.

 

[Puller]

When the media shows the daily death count "statistics" for COVID-19, I think it would be awesome if they would add a column for those who have recovered. You know, the 98% they don't seem to want to talk much about.

 

[biku324]

Wrong.

After Deaths At Home Spike In NYC, Officials Plan To Count Many As COVID-19 : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR

De Blasio: 'Real Death Toll' Of COVID-19 In NYC Is 'Even Higher' Due To Home Deaths

Feds classify all coronavirus patient deaths as 'COVID-19' deaths

In the second link DeBlasio actually gives the number as 100-200 per day, several days ago.

In the third, Dr. Birx is very clear. No partial quotations necessary.

Before getting wound up, you might look at CDC guidance on classifying COVID-19 deaths. It'll take you 30 second to find their April publication online in .pdf.

 

[pennzy]

OK , but the mayor said it yesterday. But I will go along with that you don't trust the numbers in NYC. How do you explain numbers being reported from around the world? What is to be gained by over reporting ? I would like to hear the motive.

 

[transit]

But I do (roughly) trust NYC's numbers. Worst case, they're a smidge high.

Best case scenario for the false reporting in the media? They're taking the state numbers and reporting them as the city numbers.

There are something like 18 million people in this state.

Worst case?

They're deliberately conflating the two. They understand this. They are lying.

And again, my opinion of the reasons would cross the line into politics.

 

[Ματθιας]

Of course we also have an intact mechanism to detect the flu in the Southern Hemisphere six months before it is flu season here, and an infrastructure that identifies the most likely strain and mass produces a vaccine for it also before flu season starts here. Even though some years the seasonal flu vaccine works better and some years not so well, it still manages to save a lot of lives every year.

The infrastructure for tracking, identifying and dealing with the seasonal flu does not exist for one that starts in Asia during our flu season because it was defunded in the 2018 CDC budget for over 30 foreign countries - including China. Since this particular virus is novel (new) it also isn't lending itself to quickly or easily creating a vaccine.

What are you talking about?

 

[transit]

Before getting wound up, you might look at CDC guidance on classifying COVID-19 deaths. It'll take you 30 second to find their April publication online in .pdf.

No need to get wound up.

The CDC (-or any Federal) guidelines have little to do with what's done in NYC.

Here's their quote:

"Pneumonia and influenza deaths are included to provide context for understanding the completeness of COVID-19 mortality data and related trends. Deaths due to COVID-19 may be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the absence of positive test results, and these conditions may appear on death certificates as a comorbid condition. Thus, increases in pneumonia or influenza deaths may be an indicator of excess COVID-19-related mortality. Additionally, estimates of completeness for influenza or pneumonia deaths may provide context for understanding the lag in reporting for COVID-19 deaths, as it is anticipated that these causes would have similar delays in reporting, processing, and coding. However, it is possible that reporting of COVID-19 mortality may be slower or faster than for other causes of death, and that the delay may change over time. Analyses to better understand and quantify reporting delays for COVID-19 deaths and related causes are underway. The list of causes provided in these tables may expand in future releases as more data are received, and other potentially comorbid conditions are determined."

In other words, "We haven't decided yet."

In NYC, if they have any reason to say COVID, they say "COVID."

 

[Ματθιας]

OK , but the mayor said it yesterday. But I will go along with that you don't trust the numbers in NYC. How do you explain numbers being reported from around the world? What is to be gained by over reporting ? I would like to hear the motive.

I don't trust the numbers from around the world. I mean do you trust the numbers coming China, Iran, Russia, or any third world country. Anybody trust the WHO? The numbers may be over reported or under reported, does anyone really know?

 

[pennzy]

Again, motive? Keep it non political. Give me a hint at least.

 

[pennzy]

There are plenty of non third world countries to listen to.

 

[Ματθιας]

Under reporting: all is well, everything is under control, nothing to see here.

Over reporting: It's bad really bad, we need more federal funds.

 

[KSDrifter]

If it's all a hoax, fine, go volunteer at a hospital or bagging groceries or whatever. The help will be appreciated, and you help kick start the economy.

 

[biku324]

Then just pick an official source or several sources, then follow them daily and plot them separately. There will be some differences, but not enormous differences.

I truly don't understand why this is an issue.