The media is spreading fear

[pennzy]

I find it ironic that in this era of abundant information. no one knows what is right or wrong anymore.

 

[Ματθιας]

We only know what we are told. I believe what I'm told to believe. Don't you?

 

[LVSteve]

Under reporting: all is well, everything is under control, nothing to see here.

Over reporting: It's bad really bad, we need more federal funds.

You forgot an option: We have no real clue because we don't have enough tests or time to process them, but we'd like the federal funds anyway.

 

[runscott]

And Montana has a population of 7.0 people per square mile. Here are some population densities of states where this Covid 19 is running rampant:

Louisiana, where I live - 104.9 people per square mile
New York - 421 per square mile
Massachusetts - 890 per square mile
New Jersey - 1211.3 per square mile

Ya' think maybe the spread of this disease might be related to how many people are crowded together perhaps.

Don't be talking sense, now!

I'm no Jay Inslee fan, but his orders got this thing under control pretty quickly in the Seattle area. If it goes away without the loss of life that was originally predicted, those who cried "hoax" will say "See, I told you so?" That's the problem with preventative medicine - if it works, then it wasn't necessary in the eyes of those who were against it.

My counter-argument to that would be to just say: "New York City". Anyone who wants a 'President of the United States of New York' isn't thinking straight.

 

[pennzy]

We only know what we are told. I believe what I'm told to believe. Don't you?

To an extent but I try to keep my mind open and not stop learning. I'm the first to get pissed at people that simply regurgitate talking points. I can always tell what people are listening to no matter where in the country they live. They all say the same thing. Both sides are guilty of it. IMHO, it is what is tearing this country apart.

 

[transit]

If it's all a hoax, fine, go volunteer at a hospital or bagging groceries or whatever. The help will be appreciated, and you help kick start the economy.

But, who here is saying "hoax"?

Reductio ad absurdum.

 

[Faulkner]

If it's all a hoax, fine, go volunteer at a hospital or bagging groceries or whatever. The help will be appreciated, and you help kick start the economy.

I would suggest there is a difference between it being a hoax, which it is not, and the media blowing it out of proportion from reality, which it seems they are.

This may be an example . . . wonder why the cameraman isn't dolled up in PPE?

 

[pennzy]

I would suggest there is a difference between it being a hoax, which it is not, and the media blowing it out of proportion from reality, which it seems they are.

This may be an example . . . wonder why the cameraman isn't dolled up in PPE?

I would guess the camera man did not exit the ICU?

 

[hsguy]

An interesting thread to say the least! I offer an analogy, imperfect at best. If you contracted a life threatening disease, (been there, done that), would you choose your treatment and doctor based upon their political affiliation or doctrine? Perhaps you would seek a second or third opinion based upon the best available science and medical research. Accepting a single source of information would not be in your best interest! I think this applies to the media also, select a single source at your own peril if the information is not based upon upon the best scientific and medical information.

 

[hsguy]

I would suggest there is a difference between it being a hoax, which it is not, and the media blowing it out of proportion from reality, which it seems they are.

This may be an example . . . wonder why the cameraman isn't dolled up in PPE?

Perhaps he was maintaining social distance as recommended.

 

[biku324]

Thank you, HSGUY.

 

[pennzy]

This is funny
YouTube

 

[UncleEd]

Perhaps the medical person
didn't want to uncover, remove
stuff and then go back in just a
minute later. The cameraman was
probably far enough back.

Or it was a bank robber giving
demands for a plane so a gang
could make an escape.

This thread has really gotten silly.

 

[transit]

I would guess the camera man did not exit the ICU?

But you would guess that a reporter, off the street, was allowed to stroll around the ICU?


I expect you've visited ICUs. Many of us have, to see seriously ill relatives at least; more often for me, at work.


I've been in, and I've also been kept out; sometimes just to wait, sometimes completely.


-Once, many years ago, we even tried to smuggle a little dog in to see my grandmother. That's another story.


Me, I would not guess that in the midst of this, they actually let someone wander around inside bothering the sick and the staff.

That photo?

Clearly for effect.


It wouldn't be difficult to identify the people involved, were anyone so inclined. Judging by the STOP sign, it's Europe anyway.

 

[Ματθιας]

After Calling It An 'Editing Mistake,' CBSN Goes Right Ahead And Runs The Same Misleading Italian Hospital Footage
After Calling It An 'Editing Mistake,' CBSN Goes Right Ahead And Runs The Same Misleading Italian Hospital Footage | The Daily Caller

CBSN appeared to yet again air footage of an Italian hospital, this time during a segment on Pennsylvania's coronavirus crisis, less than a week after originally being called out for the bungle.

The misleading video first appeared on "CBS This Morning" during a report on New York's novel coronavirus pandemic on March 25. The network was airing footage of a crowded Italian hospital room while talking about New York. The Italian hospital footage was reported by Sky News on March 22 during a segment on hospitals in the country...

 

[BC38]

Again, motive? Keep it non political. Give me a hint at least.

From what I have read they are getting $13k in FEMA funds for every COVID19 patient and $39k in FEMA funds for every COVID19 patient needing to be put on a ventilator.
Seems like a reasonable motive to me.
The old principle of follow the money.

I continue to maintain that believing this is a serious issue, believing the media is hyping & exaggerating it for ratings & agenda purposes, and believing that it is being used by some for political purposes are all 3 true statements. They aren't mutually exclusive and it isn't an either-or question at this point.

 

[hsguy]

I spent several days in ICU, not for Covid, and the bill was $15,000 per day. I was not on a ventilator. $13,000 does not seem out of line to me.

 

[paplinker]

Unfortunately I am living near a very heavily hit area. We have had some health-fire personnel die.

As in this thread people are handling this on different levels.

My next door neighbor had an Easter egg hunt in the front yard. The Grandparents came and watched the kids hunt eggs from inside there car,windows cracked. Told them they loved them and then left. The majority of people are using this caution.

My new neighbor two doors down had what I was told over 30 people at there house for something today. I assume something for the kids.One is 6 weeks old.

Today was the first time in 27 years our family didn't eat together Easter Day. Seemed a small price to pay after what some families have had to endure around here.

 

[Rudi]

Never trust a liar!

 

[BC38]

I spent several days in ICU, not for Covid, and the bill was $15,000 per day. I was not on a ventilator. $13,000 does not seem out of line to me.

Sure, it would be reasonable - if every person hospitalized for COVID-19 were in ICU.
They aren't. Not even close. If they were we wouldn't be seeing a 98%-99% recovery rate.

Last estimate I saw was that less than 20% get that sick. And so far every estimate for every aspect and statistic for this mess has been WAY high.

For example, the estimated peak is supposed to be tomorrow or a day or two later, and the estimated death toll was supposed to top out at something like 3000 per day.

The last 3 days have been the first time we've seen a decline in the number of deaths per day for 3 days in a row since this whole thing started. The numbers have been 2050, 1830, and today 1538. So it is possible that the peak was 3 days ago at 2050.
Now over 2000 people in one day is certainly not trivial and is in fact serious and significant. But once again the numbers have actually been lower than predicted. A LOT lower.

Initially the predictions were 500 thousand dead in the UK and 2.2 MILLION in the US. It is looking like the totals are going to end up being WAY less than 10% of that. Right now the numbers are actually 1% - 2% of the predicted totals. The UK is at just over 10k deaths and the US is at 22k.

It isn't over yet, but in both countries it is looking like the peak is either here or even passed. Based on other countries experience so far there is no reason to expect those numbers to more than double since these things follow a standard bell curve pattern. And that is assuming we don't discover ANY effective treatments preventatives, or cures.

So basically, all of that to say, that $13k per hospitalized patient and $39k for every one on a vent adds up to a LOT of money given the very small percentage that need any kind of intensive care treatment or ventilator.