"The Pacific" HBO miniseries

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Being a WWII buff, I was delighted to find the CD set of the HBO miniseries The Pacific at my local Sam's Club. We don't get HBO, so I haven't seen it yet. Evidently the folks who did Band of Brothers were responsible for it. If they do as good a job as on BB, I'll be interested to view it. I hope they took pains to make the weapons, equipment and uniforms of the era authentic.

I won't be able to start viewing it until next week due to other obligations. Does anyone here who has seen it have any comments on this one?

John
 
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Combat scenes are outstanding. I will not spoil it for you with descriptions. Band of Bros. was maybe 18 episodes. I used to do military modeling, primarily German armor and support. I had a lot of reference material on that subject. I was REALLY impressed with Saving Private Ryan, and Band of Brothers use of original or mock up armor so true to period. "Pacific" is 10 episodes. I wish it was not so time compressed, but from what I know of Japanese armor and small arms it's very authentic. Great stuff. I will look forward to you're report/critique on the series.
 
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Band of Brothers was amazing. The Pacific I felt was lacking in character depth and battle action. "Band" gets an A, "Pacific" gets a C.

There was a show called Generation Kill (about the Iraq War) on HBO that I liked, but nobody else did, so it was canceled.
 
We just finished watching the series and it was quite well done. As others have mentionde the character devolopment was not quite as deep as BB. The scenes were quite realistic and seemed very authentic in terms of equipment. Anyone else notice that one of the Marine officers carried and used what appeared to be a 1917 S&W?
 
My biggest problem was Tom Hanks' portrayal of the U.S. being somewhat racist about the Japanese. Who started WWII. I don't remember reading about a surprise attack on Yokosuko.

First rule of war - Dehumanize the enemy. We didn't have to go very far. Witness the Bataan Death March and the way air crews were tried and executed as war criminals (Doolittle's raid, and B29 crews).
 
I liked it better than Band Of Brothers.

It is different in that it tells the stories of three different characters - Basilone, Lecke, and Sledge - from three different viewpoints. It takes a little effort to follow, but it is well worth it.
 
My biggest problem was Tom Hanks' portrayal of the U.S. being somewhat racist about the Japanese. Who started WWII. I don't remember reading about a surprise attack on Yokosuko.

First rule of war - Dehumanize the enemy. We didn't have to go very far. Witness the Bataan Death March and the way air crews were tried and executed as war criminals (Doolittle's raid, and B29 crews).

Not sure I get this . . . we were racist against the Japanese. Not somewhat racist, but very racist, in fact. That's not Tom Hanks' fault. It is what it is.

I'm not apologizing for it, nor am I applying current political correctness on a 1941 issue, but we did relocate thousands of American citizens with slanted eyes to concentration camps. We did dehumanize the Japanese as an enemy, much more so than the 'Hun' and the 'Nazis'. Our service men were strongly encouraged to kill every little buck toothed yellow monkey over there. Sounds racist to me.

The Japanese did indeed attack us first. They did indeed conduct a land war offering no quarter. They did indeed treat non-combatants and POW's disgracefully. They had every opportunity to surrender before it became necessary and appropriate for us to drop atomic weapons on two of their cities. I think the United States came by our racism honestly, but it was racism.


"When this war is over, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell" -- Admiral Bill Halsey on December 7, 1941.
 
I was a kid during WWII, and I remember the absolute hatred of nearly every U.S. citizen towards the Japanese. I can tell you that the Japanese were portrayed as evil demons, and that the best way to take care of them was to eradicate them. That's just the way it was, and it all started with Pearl Harbor.

I served with some WWII Pacific combat veterans. One enlisted man, in particular, would go absolutely nuts every December 7 (Pearl Harbor anniversary). If he encountered an asian man, even if he was in a U.S. uniform, he would attack him and had to be pulled off of him - got himself thrown in jail often. He was busted many times, but no officer had the guts to give him a dishonorable discharge. He had seen hell in the Pacific, and it was hard not to cut him some slack. It was not pretty, but we all understood the cause.

To this day, many U.S. citizens of that era will not buy Japanese cars or any other large Japanese-made appliances. It's hard NOT to, nowadays, and it makes some people wonder who actually won the war. We lost a lot of American flesh and blood during the war - emotions were high then. WWII vets are dying off by the thousands every year, and as they die, those feelings are no longer common. To their credit, many vets of the war eventually came to forgive and forget. Some of them, and the families of many, will never do that. I understand.

Yes, there was racism. It was encouraged by the U.S. government, and expressed in the detainment and internment of many U.S. citizens of Japanese descent. That's a fact. Viewed through the prism of today's attitudes, it was not a thing to be proud of. But you had to have been there at the time. I was, and I do not condone those actions, but I fully understood them. One thing it did accomplish was to unite the country to win the war. We have not been so united since.

John
 
I'm only 44 but my wife's grandfather was a Marine that fought in WWII in the Pacific and he said the series Pacific was a very accurate portrayal.
 
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As for the HBO series "Pacific", I thought it was good. If you really are a firearms purist I saw only one little mis-step with firearms. The real marines were issued Springfield 1903's at the initial invasion of Guadalcanal as the M1 rifles had not yet been issued to them. In the movie, it looked like the marines landed with M1903A3's, which only then (August 1942) were being manufactured. Kind of anal, I know, but the 03A3's rear sight is kind of obvious and that's the way it looked to me.

I've read several of Robert Leckie's books and really liked them. His American history trilogy is abosolutely worth reading; "George Washington's War", "From Sea to Shining Sea", and "None Died in Vain".
 
As for the HBO series "Pacific", I thought it was good. If you really are a firearms purist I saw only one little mis-step with firearms. The real marines were issued Springfield 1903's at the initial invasion of Guadalcanal as the M1 rifles had not yet been issued to them. In the movie, it looked like the marines landed with M1903A3's, which only then (August 1942) were being manufactured. Kind of anal, I know, but the 03A3's rear sight is kind of obvious and that's the way it looked to me...

That was a rather glaring error. In fact, the first 03-A3 rifles weren't shipped by Remington or Smith Corona, until December 1942. With logistics at the time, the Marines on Guadalcanal would have already been relieved by the U.S. Army.

The Marines did "requisition" a lot of M1 Garands after the Army landed, and before the Marines were relieved.
 
Not sure I get this . . . we were racist against the Japanese. Not somewhat racist, but very racist, in fact. That's not Tom Hanks' fault. It is what it is.

I'm not apologizing for it, nor am I applying current political correctness on a 1941 issue, but we did relocate thousands of American citizens with slanted eyes to concentration camps. We did dehumanize the Japanese as an enemy, much more so than the 'Hun' and the 'Nazis'. Our service men were strongly encouraged to kill every little buck toothed yellow monkey over there. Sounds racist to me.

The Japanese did indeed attack us first. They did indeed conduct a land war offering no quarter. They did indeed treat non-combatants and POW's disgracefully. They had every opportunity to surrender before it became necessary and appropriate for us to drop atomic weapons on two of their cities. I think the United States came by our racism honestly, but it was racism.


"When this war is over, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell" -- Admiral Bill Halsey on December 7, 1941.

Yes, we maltreated American citizens (of Japanese descent) by interning them in so-called "relocation camps". This was at the behest of California governor Earl Warren. Even though compensated, and poorly at that, this does not erase the blot.

However, because German troops were more closely related heretically, Americans received a lot better treatment as POW's (Malmedy notwithstanding).

I believe my remarks were connotated by describing one of the rules of war.

Further, Japanese troops surrendered in more than a few men, not until we conquered Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Their Bushido code allowed only victory or death.
 
The Pacific was ok,

The Band of Brothers is far better.
Being a Combat Veteran of the 3rd/506th might make me a little biased though.

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The only mistake I spotted was in the 'canal. The Marines carried the 1903 Springfield rifle. The show has them using the 03A3. The first A3 wasn't delivered till 11-42. Two months after the 'canal landing.
 
My copy of the Pacific is headed my way from barnes and nobles right now. Generation kill wasnt really meant to go on after season 1, it was based on a book written by an imbeded reporter from rolling stone who was attached to the marine recon unit. I loved it and the book is amazing. The show ends right about where the book ends. The interviews with the real life marines is great to watch.
 
I watched the series on DVD and read the book. Not sure which came out first. The book has a section on Naval aviation, following one carrier pilot. The DVD series does not. P.S. the book was a lot better IMHO but then nearly always is.
 
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