The Rear Gunner

There was a park in Chicago called Riverview. They had similar compressed air guns as shown above. The sights were a bit different and were lighted inside. The guns shot what appeared to be ball bearings. They were supposed to be trainers for aircraft gunners. Anytime we went there, I spent a lot of time shooting them.
 
It was alluded to in “The Rear Gunner” that gunners should be smaller men. Owing to the tight quarters for some gunners on bombers, AAF imposed an upper height and weight limit for gunnery school candidates of 5’10” and 170 pounds. No lower limits were mentioned. I have read that it has often been said that during WWII, belly turret and tail gunners had the highest fatality rate among bomber flight crews. But in fact their actual fatality rate is the same as for all other bomber flight crew members...

Back around 1985 or so, while visiting family in the area, I went to a World War II airshow at the Youngstown, Ohio, Airport. A B-17 was there, and an elderly gentleman (who was probably younger than I am now, come to think of it!) was standing by the tail wearing a "Flying Fortress" baseball hat.

I asked him what he'd done, and he told me he'd been a tail gunner. I asked how many missions he'd flown, and he told me fourteen. Seeing the quizzical look on my face, he explained that he'd been shot down on Mission #15...

They had just dropped their bombs on a target near Hamburg. The bomb bay doors wouldn't close, so the top turret gunner/flight engineer entered the bomb bay to use the hand crank to close them. While he was in there, an 88mm round hit the aircraft in the left wing, between the engines, and blew the wing off.

The Fort immediately rolled over to the left, pitching the engineer -- who was not wearing a parachute -- out of the bomb bay. The tail gunner clipped his 'chute onto his harness, and began trying to get to his emergency escape hatch, under the right horizontal stabilizer, fighting the G-forces all the way.

Despite the hatch being right behind his left shoulder, he could not get to it and open it until the B-17 was only about 1000 feet off the ground. He told me he thrust his legs through the opening, and pushed himself out.

When he landed, he was captured immediately, and the Germans took him to the crash site to identify his dead crewmates. He was the only survivor.

He told me this story matter-of-factly: This was what happened. I've wondered for years how men survived events like this and ever went on to live normal lives after the War...God bless them...
 
Most everyone today considers the B-17 as being the main US bomber used during WWII. Not so. There were around 5000 more B-24s made than B-17s, and the bomb load of the B-24 was about 3000 pounds greater than the B-17s. Its boxy fuselage shape had the purpose of allowing a greater bomb load. And some versions of the B-24 remained in limited service through the Korean War.

For some years I worked in west Fort Worth. My office window overlooked Carswell AFB and Air Force Plant 4 which had been the Consolidated B-24 assembly plant during WWII. There were several others. At the time I was there, it was operated by General Dynamics and F-16s were being made.

Today Plant 4 is operated by Lockheed Martin, making F-35s. However I am not sure the F-35 is still being made and may even be in the process of being phased out of service due to all of its problems.
 
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You might like a YouTube channel called PeriscopeFilm. they have a bunch of shorts available of that type. Just put PeriscopeFilm in the YouTube search bar and they will show up.

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My dad served as a Navigator on a B-24 with the 15th AF out of Italy. His service records indicate he attended 6 weeks of aerial gunnery school in Laredo, TX after he had completed his Basic and Pre-Flight training.

From what I understand, all bomber crewmen attended aerial gunnery school. The idea was that if the pilot became incapacitated, the co-pilot would take over and then the Navigator or Bombardier would take over for the co-pilot. They were the other officers on board who had received some flight training. But they also needed proficiency in gunnery should one of the turret gunners or waist gunners be incapacitated.

The bomber was to get over the target, deliver the payload and the expensive piece of equipment returned to base no matter what. So all crew members other than the two in the pilot & co pilot seats were expected to be able to defend the bomber.

Regarding parachute training, bomber crews received one day of classroom training culminating with jumping off of a 10 foot high platform to learn how to hit the ground without breaking a leg or ankle. There was no actual jumping done unless of course you were a paratrooper. My dad flew quite a bit over water which probably made him nervous. I have a photo of him taken just after landing at his base with a Mae West on. The B-24 was known to break up easily and/or sink quickly if a water landing or ditching was attempted so they were supposed to bail out along with their life rafts and survival equipment if they couldn't make landfall. The B-17 was supposed to be better suited for ditching on water.
 
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The B-24 was known to break up easily and/or sink quickly if a water landing or ditching was attempted so they were supposed to bail out along with their life rafts and survival equipment if they couldn't make landfall. The B-17 was supposed to be better suited for ditching on water.
Correct.
The B-24 has a high wing and thus it tended to cartwheel in a water landing. The B-17 with it's low wing could handle water landings much, much better.
 
Not the tail gunner,but I was fortunate to be able to take my grandson to see this plane.
 

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Not the tail gunner,but I was fortunate to be able to take my grandson to see this plane.

I took a ride down the California coast from Carlsbad to La Jolla and back up back in 2001 on that plane, although it had a different paint scheme at the time. It was absolutely incredible. I flew on the ill fated B-17 named Nine-O-Nine in 2003 too, that plane crashed in 2019 killing 8 people.

I sure hope they resume their warbirds tour again. The planes are well worth seeing if they come to your areas.
 
I took a ride down the California coast from Carlsbad to La Jolla and back up back in 2001 on that plane, although it had a different paint scheme at the time. It was absolutely incredible. I flew on the ill fated B-17 named Nine-O-Nine in 2003 too, that plane crashed in 2019 killing 8 people.

I sure hope they resume their warbirds tour again. The planes are well worth seeing if they come to your areas.
One of these I think crashed soon after we saw it
 

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This is the A/C that crashed killing most onboard. 6 of us went to small airshow in N.C. few years ago, were going to ride but it had a flat tire so no go. Have been in B-25s, B-17s, B-24s and B-29. Have lots of pics.65C16DD2-404E-4B40-BD21-401F85A1632D.jpeg
 
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