The SAINT VS ANY M&P 15

[Disabled1]

I think I will sell my 4 wheeler (I hardly ride it anymore) and buy me a SAINT. I wonder how it compares to S&W's top tier AR's?

Springfield Armory | Saint

 

[MarkH13]

Academy has it for $850...buy one for me and I'll compare it to my Sport II for you gladly ��.

It is a nice looking rifle and I've had excellent service from every Springfield I've ever had.

 

[TeaDub]

I was able to handle one today at my LGS. It felt and looked good for an entry level AR. Bravo Company furniture (I believe). It was $180 more than a Sport II in the same store.

I'm normally a fan of Springfield. I have one of their 1911s and a couple XDs in the safe. All the hype and marketing for another AR?

 

[Brian in Oregon]

What, exactly, makes it better than the Sport II? Especially if one does not care for the buttstock or forend on the Saint?

 

[Disabled1]

What, exactly, makes it better than the Sport II? Especially if one does not care for the buttstock or forend on the Saint?

What makes a Colt any better than a Sport 2?

 

[SWMP15Pks]

What exactly makes it in any way unique? I can't find any reason to pay more than 600 bucks for it. I'm waiting for this balloon to hold air before I get excited about how shiny it is...

I'm dissapointed, honestly. Can I be critical without being rude? I don't want to burst the OP bubble, sorry Disabled1.

I mean c'mon, this is SA! Where's the wow? Why not make it with an ultralight titanium monolithic chassis with integrated quick change mount points for accessories, or with an integrated Tpoint mount, or with a quick change barrel system, or with something more interesting than another "new" MSR in pseudo M4 pedigree? Keymod rather than Mlok? Yawn.

If you really have to have a SA MSR, go for the Scout Squad | M1A™ Rifle for Sale | Semi Automatic Firearms. My two cents.

Oh, it's 1/8 and melonited. Ok. $640.

 

[hdwhit]

What makes a Colt any better than a Sport 2?

Exactly. I couldn't find any reason to buy a non-chrome barrel Colt over the M&P-15. I also don't see any reason to pay the extra money to buy a melonite Springfield over a melonite M&P-15.

 

[cyphertext]

The Saint is a better rifle on paper than the Sport 2 is.

4150 CMV barrel vs 4140 barrel on the sport
1:8 twist vs 1:9 twist
Mid length gas system vs. carbine gas
BCM grip vs A2 grip
BCM stock vs standard M4 stock
BCM keymod hand guard with heat shields vs standard guards without heat shields
M16 BCG vs AR BCG
Upgraded trigger vs standard trigger

Probably a few things I am forgetting. Each individual will have to decide if the different features are worth the money. Personally, if it can be had for around $800, I think it makes a good alternative to the Colt LE6920. But if you don't like the BCM furniture, it probably is not the best buy available.

 

[arnoob]

I think it's a lot of rifle for the money, only thing I don't like is the handguard, but I could live with it. Only thing that puts me off is the cheesy name and advertising, those videos are a total cringe-fest.

Trouble is for $899 you can get a Colt 6920 or 6720, and I think not owning a Colt yet the 6720 would be my pick above the Springfield.

 

[cyphertext]

I think it's a lot of rifle for the money, only thing I don't like is the handguard, but I could live with it. Only thing that puts me off is the cheesy name and advertising, those videos are a total cringe-fest.

Trouble is for $899 you can get a Colt 6920 or 6720, and I think not owning a Colt yet the 6720 would be my pick above the Springfield.

I agree about the name, advertising, and roll mark. The $899 is MSRP. It should sell for $800 or less. Not too many folks are excited about another basic AR-15.

 

[MichiganScott]

Trouble is for $899 you can get a Colt 6920 or 6720, and I think not owning a Colt yet the 6720 would be my pick above the Springfield.

I just picked up a Colt 6920 for that price. The resale value will definitely be more than the Springfield simply because of the name recognition to the uninitiated. I have both a M&P15 and a M&P15A in the gun safe. I paid more for them than the Colt. Although both are excellent rifles, I doubt the resale would would be more than the Colt.

You get to a point in your collection where resale value becomes important if you need to sell something for another project.

 

[JayC_783]

I've been following the buildup to this thing for about a month and half. After watching some of the videos on their Defend Your Legacy website, I thought sure it was going to be some sort of CCW pistol. Maybe their own American made pistol with all the hype they were pouring into this thing. Yesterday, I eagerly booted up the computer, and went straight to their site to see what all the hubbub was about. When I finally saw that it was another AR in a market flooded with them I was extremely disappointed. Yeah, the SAINT (Is that an acronym?) is better, on paper, than the Sport II that I have. But there's nothing that the SAINT has, that would make me get rid of my Sport II for it. Had it come out when I was looking, I probably would have looked seriously at it. Personally, I'm all AR'd out. If I ever get another one, I'm going to build it. If anyone is in the market for an AR, I would recommend they look at the SAINT closely. It seems like a really nice rifle.

 

[Westie1]

Wouldn't be surprised that this came about from Springfield's sponsored USPSA/IPSC shooters. And if I was looking at getting a Colt, I think I would take a serious look at the Colt Competition at Cabelas, especially if I lived outside of the DPRCa. That said, have no problems with my Sport II. It does everything I want.

 

[Arik]

What makes S&W better than a Rossi/Taurus/Rohm/

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[ChattanoogaPhil]

My thoughts.

4150 CMV barrel vs 4140 barrel on the sport
yawn

1:8 twist vs 1:9 twist
yawn

Mid length gas system vs. carbine gas
*Worthy of consideration*

BCM grip vs A2 grip
yawn

BCM stock vs standard M4 stock
yawn

BCM keymod hand guard with heat shields vs standard guards without heat shields
Worthy of consideration for a plastic handguard... not a big deal.

M16 BCG vs AR BCG
yawn

Upgraded trigger vs standard trigger
A smoother lousy GI trigger... yawn.

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Apples to Apples... given the choice for the same dollar I'd rather have a Sport with a $200 trigger.

 

[TTSH]

Not impressed. For all the hype and build-up, I expected something new, unique and different. It's just another AR with a name. Kind of a letdown.

 

[pharmer]

If'n you are after an entry level AR, buy an Anderson lower for $164 at the next gunshow and slap a PSA "Freedom" (not PTAC) with bcg for $279 and you are gtg except for a rear sight. My latest; and if you look carefully you can see the gold color on the empty deflector from 150 trouble free rounds on it's first outing. Joe

 

[cyphertext]

My counters to Phil's thoughts...

4150 CMV barrel vs 4140 barrel on the sport
yawn
Everything else being equal, the 4150 barrel should last longer in theory... Kinda like 60,000 mile tires vs. 80,000 mile tires... one will outlast the other, but they are both wear items. You decide if the premium for longer wear is worth it.

1:8 twist vs 1:9 twist
yawn
Pretty much agree, but if everything else was equal, would choose the 1:8

Mid length gas system vs. carbine gas
*Worthy of consideration*
Agree

BCM grip vs A2 grip
yawn
Still have the A2 grip on your rifle? A plus if you like the particular grip.

BCM stock vs standard M4 stock
yawn
Same answer as grip. It is an upgrade, but only of value if you like the stock.

BCM keymod hand guard with heat shields vs standard guards without heat shields
Worthy of consideration for a plastic handguard... not a big deal.
Again, an upgrade, but only if you like the upgraded hand guard.

M16 BCG vs AR BCG
yawn
Agree, but many folks are convinced that they have to change this out.

Upgraded trigger vs standard trigger
A smother lousy GI trigger... yawn.
Smoother is better...

Buffer is a heavy buffer vs. carbine buffer...
Same thought as the BCG

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Apples to Apples... given the choice for the same dollar I'd rather have a Sport with a $200 trigger.
But there is enough difference between the two to justify the higher price tag.

 

[MichiganScott]

Wouldn't be surprised that this came about from Springfield's sponsored USPSA/IPSC shooters. And if I was looking at getting a Colt, I think I would take a serious look at the Colt Competition at Cabelas, especially if I lived outside of the DPRCa. That said, have no problems with my Sport II. It does everything I want.

The Colt Competition is made under license by Bold Ideas Texas. It isn't a Colt and resale will be hurt because of that.

 

[Disabled1]

My thoughts.

4150 CMV barrel vs 4140 barrel on the sport
yawn

1:8 twist vs 1:9 twist
yawn

Mid length gas system vs. carbine gas
*Worthy of consideration*

BCM grip vs A2 grip
yawn

BCM stock vs standard M4 stock
yawn

BCM keymod hand guard with heat shields vs standard guards without heat shields
Worthy of consideration for a plastic handguard... not a big deal.

M16 BCG vs AR BCG
yawn

Upgraded trigger vs standard trigger
A smoother lousy GI trigger... yawn.

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Apples to Apples... given the choice for the same dollar I'd rather have a Sport with a $200 trigger.

I still don't ride my 4 wheeler that much. So, a Saint over a S2 will be a great choice, ANY DAY!