The Spoiled Under-30 Crowd!

When I got out of high school, in 1960. there were at least fifteen companies in town with apprenticeship programs. There was every expectation that if you worked hard, you had a job that supported a family until you retired. If you were fortunate enough to be able to go to college, there was a world of opportunity open for you. You didn't have to worry about the temptation of drugs, because for all practical purposes, alcohol was it, and if you were caught drinking under age, your life wasn't ruined forever. You didn't get everything you wanted for Christmas or your birthday, but chances were very good both your mom and dad were there to celebrate it with you. When you came home from school, your mom was probably just starting a real dinner. In the summer, you could go down to the park and play ball all day, and your folks didn't worry about you being abducted. Even in a town like the one I lived in, of 150,000, you could walk out to the edge of town carrying your .22 or your shotgun, and nobody called the cops.

I think for all the things kids have today, they have been cheated.
 
A lot of the stuff you guys talk about not having is not automaticly going to be given to the younger generation. I being 23 am part of this younger generation, and did not have a lot of the stuff you listed I was in high shool before we got internet and almost out of high school when we got a dish. I also remember using tape players and recording stuff off the radio to make my mixtapes, never had caller ID until I got a cell phone which was after high school.

Looking back on my childhood we were pretty freakin poor, I didn't know it at the time or even care I had fun making mud pies, catchin crawdads, and riding my bike all over the country side. As for the world that kids live in today IMO it is far from a utopia, with the political climate and uncertainty for the future of this country I would say it is further from utopia than the older generations world.

I would loved to have grown up in my fathers era, back when you could take a rifle to the principles office during hunting season to retrieve after class. So IMO maybe it is all you old people that don't realise how good you had it.
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All that stuff so far I remember. What really intrieged me was listening to my parents storys.
Dad was born in 1913 and mom in 1914. Moms folks ran a large country general store. I was raised in it too untill the end of the war.
Dad was raised in a huge family on a large farm. Dad had 6 older half brothers and sisters as his dads first wife died young and dad himself was the oldest of the next 10.
Dad said all his sisters left home very young to be maids to rich people in the city. That was very usual back then.
Dad and his brothers worked the huge farm. Dad said he quit school at about the 4th grade, and grandpa was quite happy as he could use him working. Same for next two brothers, herb quit in the 6th grade, but managed to head up speed queen washing machine factory on that little education. Dad and mom married in 1936 and left home and worked ranchs in the west untill the war broke out. I have something like 8 uncles (counting aunts husbands) all went off to war. (all came back too.) My older sister was raised for awhile durring the war by a aunt as mom had her hands full tending the store with me as dad was gone too.
I took my wife home and was pointing out the area around the store in the countryside and my wife couldnt belive that mom let me roam up to two miles away when I was like 5 years old! That was no big deal to me, but thinking of it in this day and age, I guess it would be now.
 
We had one car and Thursday was my mom's day to have it. My first computer was called an Etch-a-sketch-to re-boot turn it upside down and shake
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Yeah; I remember the good old days also. I was born in the bottom of the depression,1931. Outhouses, water from the creek, fried mush for breakfast, lots of canned milk & coffee.I give my folks a lot of credit for getting thru the rough times. Things got better during WW2. Everybody worked & the older guys were in the service. I went to work for the phone company in 1950 & can still wire a magneto phone. Bought a brand new Ford pickup in '54, V-8 with overdrive, no radio or heater or directional signals. $1988 bucks out the door. Gas was 25 cents a gallon..22 Long Rifle shells were 50 cents a box. Fisher beer was 79 cents a six pack, life was good. Glad all my kids are raised & am the grandfather of 8. Two of my 3 wives are gone & I get the 2nd one paid off next December.Then I think I'll stay single the rest of my years. Truthfully I've had a real good life & enjoyed it. When I go to S&W Heaven I'll get to see some long ago buddys. I used to be the kid in the deer hunting camps but now I'm the old codger telling old hunting tales.
 
When my wife worked in a grocery store a kid (approx. 13) coudn't tell what time it was on the clock on the wall 'cause the clock wasn't digital. In a pizza place i saw some kids in a booth. a couple of them were on phones talking to OTHER people. I wondered what they did when thet were later on with the friends they were talking to in the pizza place. They were probabably on the phone again talking to the people they were sitting in the pizza place with. Catching up on all the stuff they didn't talk about 'cause they were talking to the other people! Why not just talk to the people you're with?! Did you ever see THX1138 with Robert Duvall? That's where this is going. At work I listen to a RADIO. You know. With batteries. People with I-pods, I-phones, etc, ask me what's that? "It's a radio!!" They act like i'm a refuge from "Antique Roadshow" for crissakes! AndI don't feel like I'm missin' nothin'!
 
Barb; I was born 1/7/50, so I'm quite confident I've got more than a few years on you. Yeah, I heard the same stuff from my parents, and I pretty much believed them. Yeah, I had chores around the house, a paper route and lots of side jobs doing lawns and washing cars. My efforts afforded me the opportunity to buy RCBS loading gear and Lyman single-cavity bullet mold to cast my own .357's. I shot those thru a 6" Highway Patrolman I bought on lay-away with the princely sum of $5 down and $5 per week until it was paid off. It took me about 4 months to finally bail myself out, but I've had a lot of fun with it and still bring it out once in a while. I grew up and lived in Portland OR, but spent 4 summers in Challis ID, about 50 miles from where Elmer Keith lived. In Challis, I spent virtually every day roaming and exploring the sage brush areas, hills, the Salmon River and all with my .22LR Rem 514T. I worked from 4 til midnite working in my Aunt & Uncle's restaurant. I was in charge of peeling potatoes and converting them to french fries, making hash browns and other kitchen crew work. My real title was "dishwasher-extraordinaire" and I was a whiz with a plate scraping station and 3 stainless sinks. Where was the dishwsher you ask? well, that be me. And no one ever got sick off the stuff I cleaned.

My sons had it pretty good, as we bought a 14 acre "farm" 20 years ago. They helped out a fair amount, but as any of us who have kids know; We had it a lot tougher. They built forts, panned for gold in our creek, spent years glued to 2-cycle dirt bikes, did the paint ball thing in a big way and eventually got into some of those party's we never did when the parents were gone. They also learned as much as I and Hunter Ed instructors could teach. We have a range down in the woods where they shoot and practice for their tactical rifle and pistol matches. They are both involved in loading, shooting and started their own company 5 years ago, GunCoat Northwest. Go to www.guncoat.com and you'll enjoy what they do. Of course since I'm the dad, I could say they had it a lot easier than I did, and maybe that's true. But I had the fun of looking thru the Rifleman, lusting after a $30 M1 carbine or a $25 1911 and of course puting out the effort to buy my loading equipment and my Mod. 28. My boys had a great youth and still come over here to load, "borrow" some ammo and shoot in the woods. Since they're my sons, I could be tempted to say I'd trade with them, but I probably wouldn't, and there's no, notta, uh-ung, way that I would trade with most of today's kids. They don't get to do 1/25th what I was able to do. To a significant degree, they interface through TV, computers, cell phones, testing, crappy plastic toys and rarely get to roam the woods, camp, shoot or have the wonders of discovery I had when I made my own gunpowder and blew stuff up as a kid. What freedom and ingenuity that isn't already completely quashed by the above, get's pretty much destroyed by over-achieving parents who scream at them from the sidelines of the soccer field, in hopes that will motivate the kid's desire to excel toward a future scolarship.

No, you and I and most Forum members had it a lot better than today's kids. We should be thankful for all the freedom we had.

Thanks for a great topic Barb.

Thanks for the topic; you got me thinking.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head, Beemerrider - the importance of learning self-reliance at an early age, even if only learning to entertain yourself.
 
I hear ya, but in a different way. I grew up in the 70s and I believe something was instilled in me that kids don't have today; work ethic and a value system that appreciated challenging work as part of a satisfying day. Part of that growing up was on the family farm up north where hunting, fishing, and gardening were not a "hobby". They were a fact of life for food AND something the family did together.

I think these kids raised since year 2000 should be called "Gen. E" for Entitlement-they all seem to think everything should be laid in their laps w/o having to learn about the process or doing a damnned thing.

I recently returned to College to finish my degrees. These 20-somethings actually scolding the professor for giving a quiz!! AND the professors are backing down!?
 
I remember that some kids had no dad in those years after the end of World War 2. Robert, my best friend, had lost his father to a mortar shell in Luxembourg. He had never known his father, and all he had was a photo and some medals in a little box. I can remember feeling sorry for Robert because he had no dad.
 
I went through a bitter divorice. (guess they all are.) My daugter was 7 at the time. I know it affected her badley. She was the rebel of rebels. She got expelled in school, went to juvey, and the ex couldnt keep her in school. She sent her back to me, I forced her to school one week and she ran back to her mom.
They made some deal I still dont quite understand where she would go one day a week and turn in her homework. She got her high school diploma that way. She had quit school I think, in 7th grade.
Her mother owned their own towing business and my daughter dispatched for her since the age of 12.
The daughter got in a affair with one of the drivers, a ex con, about 10 years older. She had a daughter with him, young. He almost immediately went to the big house again. The daughter took the baby with her to work. She could have but wouldnt collect welfare. She only would accept help from me only a couple times, although I tried to help her out every time I saw her. The "father" got out, they got married, had another, and for a time I was proud of him as he tried for awhile and was a hard worker. That only lasted a couple years and he went off the wagon, ran off, hasnt been seen, NO support again, and she divoriced his ass. Again she is supporting both girls, went to school, is doing a extra occupation, never collected support or welfare! She has now met a guy who recently got back from a couple tours in iraq, looks like they might get married and I hope so.
My point in telling this very personal story is to point out that just because too many of the young people today are victims of divorice, it is not a valid reason they have to be sluggs all their life on the system! I am proud of her!
 
Real life is getting knocked down and getting back up.

Into each life, a little rain must fall.
 
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