The story of the Remington Nylon 66...

I have owned four Remington Nylon 66 rifles. Two new, two used. Not a one of them would function with Remington ammo. The two new rifles were not very accurate, even when scoped. The first used one was acceptable but was the AB model and somebody offered me too much for it and I sold it. I bought a H&R .410 single shot, Ithaca 49 .22 rifle and the fourth and final Nylon 66 from a friend. My son still has the H&R and 66, the Ithaca got passed on to a cousin.

The Ruger 10/22 is another rifle I have had poor luck with. One bought new, two bought used, and one traded for. Out of twenty Ruger rifles, I have owned three worth keeping.
 
The prices on these are all over the place. What's a good price for a standard Mohawk in around 95% cond.? I know the other models are bringing more.
Another question: have you found that the nylon raceways deteriorate with time and crack? Nylon is know to get brittle and do that.

The answer to your first (very common) question is "It varies." I've seen them as low as $200 to as much as $500 or even more. The Remington Nylons have skyrocketed in value over the last few years. The reasons are many - 1. They work. 2. They're "sexy." 3. They aren't made any more. 4. They were the first production rifles made with full plastic stocks and receivers. 5. They are quite accurate. 6. They are nostalgic for the "baby boomers." That's probably because because they had one back in the day, or because they have always wanted one.

With respect to the Nylon raceways, the particular Zytel formula was specced for high abrasion resistance. I have never seen a 66 wear to the point where it was not functional.

The values on the bolt actions and the lever actions have become astronomical. As one example, I saw a Nylon 76 (lever) with the Apache Black finish advertised on the internet for over $5,000. I'm sure a collector bought it at or near that price. Only 1,615 were ever made. I'm fortunate enough to have acquired one many years ago before the boom in prices.

I should also point out that for identification purposes on the bolt action Nylons, I have a photo album on this forum that will sort them out visually. Here is the link:

Smith & Wesson Forum - PALADIN85020's Album: Remington Nylon Bolt Actions

Also, with respect to rarity, identification and comparative values, here are a couple of charts that I routinely send to those who are seriously interested in putting a complete collection together. Date codes are also included. I hope it will be of interest.

John

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I've had two 66's, one Apache Black & one Black Diamond, plus a 77. I have since sold the BD, but the AB came home from Viet Nam with me & has a lifetime home.

I have always been impressed with their accuracy & reliability - but I'm not brave enough to take them apart! :D
 
Thank you for that info, very helpful. As to the nylon/zytel raceways, I wondered specifically about brittleness and cracking and not so much wearing per say. I have an early 70s .22 handgun that the nylon hammer spur pivot point basically disintegrated on. Fortunately replacement was still available but maybe not with the Nylon 66, don't know.
Thanks again
 
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I've had two 66's, one Apache Black & one Black Diamond, plus a 77. I have since sold the BD, but the AB came home from Viet Nam with me & has a lifetime home.

I have always been impressed with their accuracy & reliability - but I'm not brave enough to take them apart! :D

I used to be the same way for years until I followed this video, after a time or two it is not so intimidating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1syvtFfpzlw&index=15&list=FLfigqB475NPxNsY3GAtddEg
 
Thank you for that info, very helpful. As to the nylon/zytel raceways, I wondered specifically about brittleness and cracking and not so much wearing per say. I have an early 70s .22 handgun that the nylon hammer pivot point basically disintegrated on. Fortunately replacement was still available but maybe not with the Nylon 66, don't know.
Thanks again

Inasmuch as the whole stock/receiver combo is made of the same Zytel material and I have not noticed any brittleness or cracking tendency on the exterior of these rifles after more than 23 years, I suspect that the raceways on the interior would exhibit the same characteristics. I sure wouldn't worry about it. DuPont did a great job coming up with this specific Nylon formula. When shipped, the guns had a sticker on the stock that said the stocks were guaranteed not to chip, crack or fade. Some of the salesman samples were subjected to being run over by trucks and dropped from buildings onto hard surfaces when the rifle was introduced. Also many were submerged in lakes for long periods, then fished out - they worked perfectly. These guns were favored by trappers in the cold north areas. No problem.

John
 
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Good to know. The zytel apparently is more durable than standard nylon. Thanks
 
I got one at 13 or 14. Shot the bejeezus out of it. I recall it being pretty beat up by the time I traded it in college for, well... never mind.
The short-sightedness of youth!
I'd grab another one in a heartbeat.
 
this is the very first firearm I ever fired.
As a result, it became the benchmark of all things I expect a 22 to be.
Nothing else quite measured up, as a result, I really haven't done much with 22's in a few decades
 
I had one with a black stock, but a blued receiver cover. Not an Apache Black. But I thought the stock diamond was white. My memory may be vague about the diamond.

I liked the little rifle, but had to sell it and some other things when the ex let me have my daughter and we had to move.
I replaced it with a stainless Marlin M-795SS. I like the Marlin, too, but may yet get another Nylon 66. If I do, it'll be a normal Mohawk Brown.

I think I recall that Remington discovered some safety issue and that's really why they quit making the rifles. They sold well enough that they could probably have bought new molds to replace the worn ones. Does anyone know more about this?

How's the quality of the Brazilian-made ones?
 
Paladin, you did a superb job as usual. I enjoy your articles.

I remember when the 66 came out and really didn't care for a plastic gun (still don't). In those days the gold standard was the Winchester 63 or even the Remington 550 was desirable.

A friend of mine had one and while Jackrabbit hunting, fell out of a jeep on top of it and broke it in half. It surprised everybody, but Remington replaced it with no questions asked.
 
First rifle my dad purchased & taught my brother & I to shoot. Mohawk Brown. My brother still has it, I think. Still trying to figure how he got my dad's & my granddad's .22's???
 
I think I recall that Remington discovered some safety issue and that's really why they quit making the rifles. They sold well enough that they could probably have bought new molds to replace the worn ones. Does anyone know more about this?

How's the quality of the Brazilian-made ones?

No safety issues that I ever heard about, and I've followed the Nylon breed pretty closely over the years. Remington made a business decision - the Nylons required specialized equipment to fabricate and assemble, and they turned to more traditional style guns that could actually be made more cheaply.

As for the Brazilian guns, here's the story.

About 1984, Remington decided that since primary tooling for the Nylon 66 had become seriously worn, they would eventually discontinue the rifle. Subsequently, they continued to make components for the assembly of the Nylon 66 and Apache 77 over the next few years, but sold a large part of their used tooling to F.I.E. (Firearms Import and Export Corpoation) of Miami, Florida. Both Remington and F.I.E. therefore offered nylon semiautos concurrently for a time, competing for essentially the same market.

F.I.E. sent the Nylon 66 tooling to South America for production. A black rifle with a blued receiver cover and a white diamond inlay on the stock was made by CBC (Compania Brazileire Cartuchos, Portuguese for Brazilian Cartridge Company) of Santo Andre, Brazil. It was imported by F.I.E. until 1990 and was known as the GR-8 Black Beauty. Each of these was serial numbered on the left of the receiver cover, with "GR", a space, and 5 digits, such as "GR 12345." The same number was placed on the barrel under the front sight. CBC took a number of production shortcuts on their version of the rifle. The result was a functional but less-than-elegant rifle. The receiver cover was not deburred, so there are some pretty sharp edges on it, and it isn't as carefully fitted to the stock as on those on the Remingtons. The front sight was cast from pot metal and lost its bluing easily through wear. The rear sight elevation screw has one slot rather than the "X" slot configuration on the Remingtons. The bolt was made with fewer machining operations, and its lower surface is solid. The barrel was not cut with the gas-escape slots that Remington chose to utilize early-on. The barrel support is marked "FRENTE" instead of "FRONT." The ejector has no holes in it. The buttplate carries the CBC-in-an-oval trademark, and other maker identification. There is a matte finish on the pistol grip cap, with no logo or trademark. The barrel is marked over the chamber with "CBC" in an oval and "22 L.R." in a straight line. A different plastic material of unknown quality was used for the stock/receiver component. The production quantity is unknown. Remington had an interest in CBC until 1981 when the Brazilian government took over the company, so there were Remington-knowledgeable people there. In 1991, Magtech Recreational Products, Inc. obtained the importation rights and marketed the same rifle for a short while as the "Magtech Model MT-66." These rifles are often confused for genuine Nylon 66s. Since they were not as carefully made as the originals, these Brazilian clones have little interest or collector value. Still, good-condition specimens should be a part of a complete collection. Last suggested retail price for the F.I.E. GR-8 was $136 in 1990, while the Magtech MT-66 was introduced in 1991 for 109.95, a substantial reduction. I have samples of each, but only for comparison's sake.

Hope this helps.

John
 
That was chancey and progressive...

That was some move by Remington. Introducing a 'plastic gun' well before the adoption of the m-16, which had plenty of detractors for its use of plastic. Looks like they came up with a real winner.
 
That was some move by Remington. Introducing a 'plastic gun' well before the adoption of the m-16, which had plenty of detractors for its use of plastic. Looks like they came up with a real winner.

As I pointed out in the article, the Nylon 66 almost never came about, as there was a lot of resistance by some members of Remington's management to enter into anything so radical. All credit must go to Wayne Leek (now deceased), who lobbied very hard to have the management approve his team's incredible efforts to perfect the gun. Over the life of the 66, only two functional improvements were made. The first was to put some gas escape channels in the breech of the barrel to allow gas from a possible split case head to exit without damage to the firer. The second was the addition of a sheet metal support for the barrel, which was mated with the yoke that retained the barrel in position. This made barrel support more uniform, and increased the already great accuracy of the arm. One side was marked "FRONT" so that it could be oriented correctly in reassembly. These changes took place early in production, and guns that lack these changes are hard to find now. The gun illustrated in the OP is one of those early guns.

As a side note, years ago I was in correspondence with Wayne Leek's son, who reminisced about his father's experiments with full-automatic Nylon 66s for the military. He remembers taking one such gun out in the country for a test fire, and that it ripped off 14 rounds VERY quickly! I suspect that type never got off the ground because of the tubular magazine, which was slow to load.

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Leek was an innovator, and was the brains and impetus behind many Remington products of that era. One of them was the radical XP-100 single shot pistol in .221 Fire Ball caliber. This was the first mass produced hunting single shot pistol, and used the Remington 700 short action. The Zytel stock it used was a direct spinoff of the Nylon 66 series. The fore-end tip of the stock and the front sight were pure Nylon 66, and it also had the "Buck Rogers" aura about it.

John
 
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Got one a age 15-it was stolen 19 years later-no wonder they called it "the trappers Gun" it never missed a lick. I would really like another one , but oh well...
 
I'd always been fascinated by the Nylon 66, but as a kid, couldn't afford it nor the many rounds of ammo I would have no doubt shot through it.

As an adult, I found a green-stocked 66 at a gun show, marked "JC Higgins" (most of you will recall that many firearms manufactured models for Sears, Wards, various hardware stores, and so on). I hunted and plinked with it, but a few years later, someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

Another one of those "I should'a never sold it" stories.....:eek:
 
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