GatorFarmer
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Simply google "Trent Affair" if unfamiliar... but a brief synopsis. In late 1861 the controversial U.S. Navy figure Capatain Wilkes, formerly commander of the United States exploring expedition, ordered shots fired across the bow of a Royal Mail Packet, the Trent. He ordered the boarding of this ship by armed sailors and Marines and arrested several Confederate emissaries on board.
The United States and England came much closer to war than many realize. The British rushed 80,000 Enfield rifles and field artillery to Canada. They also began to send troops to Canada and banned the export of war materials.
The French had agreed to back whatever move England made. That December they invaded Mexico, with British support in violation of the Monroe doctrine.
Meanwhile, relations between England, France, and Russia were still bad over lingering hard feelings related to the Crimean War. The Czar would actually go as far as courting the United States government during the American Civil War and sending military missions.
Turkey, aka the Ottoman Empire, had been allied with Britain and France in the Crimea.
Russia, at this time, still had a presence in North America, being the owners of Alaska.
In Europe, Prussia, soon to be Germany, was a growing power. Shortly after the ACW they would fight a land war against France...and win. Prussian troops besieged Paris. American General Phillip Sheridan was official envoy to the Prussians. England and France were not popular in America then, the U.S. military even adopting pickledlaub helmets on the Prussian model.
The intervention of a dying Prince Albert as well as Captain Wilkes being...disavowed... averted war. But it was a near run thing.
The Union had, by 1861, over 500,000 soldiers. Arms were in short supply though. U.S. industry had not caught up with demand and all Europe had been scoured for weapons. Import of Swedish steel was important. Even old Hall carbines were put back into service.
England however was the strongest naval power in the world and the French, yes really, were regarded as the finest land army in the world.
Thus one wonder what might have been. Shelby Foote, a noted author on the Civil War, said that he always felt the Union fought the war with one hand tied behind its back and that if pushed hard enough could have doubled its efforts.
Circa 1862 there were about 20 million people in the North. Someing like one in five or one in six people in the Confederacy eventually served under arms. With the Union population, assuming a like effort, that would mean a U.S. Army of as many as four million. During the Franco Prussian War, the French managed about 900k men under arms. The Prussians 1.2 million. The British, pre WW1, I think managed a half million man Army for the Boer War.
Thus, I wonder, who would have won. The British and French Alliance would have had Canada, a theater of operations out of Mexico, and of course the Confederacy. Spain was no longer much of a power, but would go to war with the United States in 1898 and supported France and France England in invading Mexico.
Russia always had an eye on India, and Afghanistan. This was called the Great Game. They had just been at war with England, France and Turkey. Alaska was pretty empty, but did border British Canada. Might the Czar have entered the war?
Prussia did fight the French soon after, so it might not be far fetched to imagine Prussia entering the war.
The Ottoman Empire always had territorial disputes with Russia, and fought the Russians at Plevna soon after the ACW. They could be expected to want to fight Russia.
Italy was not yet a nation, but soon would be
Austria-Hungary was a great power, sort of. Just after the ACW they would be badly beaten by the Prussians...but the Ottomans were their traditional enemies, they were not too fond of the French, and would later fight the Russians over what Serbia in 1914....kicking off the real WW1 where they allied with Germany.
What might have happened with war coming in 1861? With the Union, Russia, Prussia and perhaps Austria Hungary on one side versus England, France, Spain, and the Ottoman Empire? Would the United States have won? Would the CSA be an independent nation now? Would Canada now be divided up as a series of states?
Ireland was already restive and many Fenians fought for the Union during the ACW, and some for the CSA. Would Ireland have rebelled?
Would Sepoy troops, Bengal Lancers, Ghurkas and Sikhs have fought it outon the Great Plains? Or in Maine...or the disputed territory of Oregon?
Could the Royal Navy have broken the Union Blockade and perhaps in turn have blockaded the Union?
And what of Border States like Tennessee and Maryland...now torn between hascent support of the CSA and yet with historical hard feelings against Britain?
Imagine the rally around the flag recruitment in the North with the idea of traitors at home conspiring with foreigners to conquer America...Part of VA split off to side with the Union, thus West Virginia....would parts of the Confederacy have rejoined the Union?
Would the French Foreign Legion have invaded Arizona and Colorado?
Would the Briitish once again burn Washington, D.C.?
What roles would Spencers, Henrys, Gatling guns, Sharps, et al have played in bolstering the American cause?
Makes you wonder, doesnt it?
The United States and England came much closer to war than many realize. The British rushed 80,000 Enfield rifles and field artillery to Canada. They also began to send troops to Canada and banned the export of war materials.
The French had agreed to back whatever move England made. That December they invaded Mexico, with British support in violation of the Monroe doctrine.
Meanwhile, relations between England, France, and Russia were still bad over lingering hard feelings related to the Crimean War. The Czar would actually go as far as courting the United States government during the American Civil War and sending military missions.
Turkey, aka the Ottoman Empire, had been allied with Britain and France in the Crimea.
Russia, at this time, still had a presence in North America, being the owners of Alaska.
In Europe, Prussia, soon to be Germany, was a growing power. Shortly after the ACW they would fight a land war against France...and win. Prussian troops besieged Paris. American General Phillip Sheridan was official envoy to the Prussians. England and France were not popular in America then, the U.S. military even adopting pickledlaub helmets on the Prussian model.
The intervention of a dying Prince Albert as well as Captain Wilkes being...disavowed... averted war. But it was a near run thing.
The Union had, by 1861, over 500,000 soldiers. Arms were in short supply though. U.S. industry had not caught up with demand and all Europe had been scoured for weapons. Import of Swedish steel was important. Even old Hall carbines were put back into service.
England however was the strongest naval power in the world and the French, yes really, were regarded as the finest land army in the world.
Thus one wonder what might have been. Shelby Foote, a noted author on the Civil War, said that he always felt the Union fought the war with one hand tied behind its back and that if pushed hard enough could have doubled its efforts.
Circa 1862 there were about 20 million people in the North. Someing like one in five or one in six people in the Confederacy eventually served under arms. With the Union population, assuming a like effort, that would mean a U.S. Army of as many as four million. During the Franco Prussian War, the French managed about 900k men under arms. The Prussians 1.2 million. The British, pre WW1, I think managed a half million man Army for the Boer War.
Thus, I wonder, who would have won. The British and French Alliance would have had Canada, a theater of operations out of Mexico, and of course the Confederacy. Spain was no longer much of a power, but would go to war with the United States in 1898 and supported France and France England in invading Mexico.
Russia always had an eye on India, and Afghanistan. This was called the Great Game. They had just been at war with England, France and Turkey. Alaska was pretty empty, but did border British Canada. Might the Czar have entered the war?
Prussia did fight the French soon after, so it might not be far fetched to imagine Prussia entering the war.
The Ottoman Empire always had territorial disputes with Russia, and fought the Russians at Plevna soon after the ACW. They could be expected to want to fight Russia.
Italy was not yet a nation, but soon would be
Austria-Hungary was a great power, sort of. Just after the ACW they would be badly beaten by the Prussians...but the Ottomans were their traditional enemies, they were not too fond of the French, and would later fight the Russians over what Serbia in 1914....kicking off the real WW1 where they allied with Germany.
What might have happened with war coming in 1861? With the Union, Russia, Prussia and perhaps Austria Hungary on one side versus England, France, Spain, and the Ottoman Empire? Would the United States have won? Would the CSA be an independent nation now? Would Canada now be divided up as a series of states?
Ireland was already restive and many Fenians fought for the Union during the ACW, and some for the CSA. Would Ireland have rebelled?
Would Sepoy troops, Bengal Lancers, Ghurkas and Sikhs have fought it outon the Great Plains? Or in Maine...or the disputed territory of Oregon?
Could the Royal Navy have broken the Union Blockade and perhaps in turn have blockaded the Union?
And what of Border States like Tennessee and Maryland...now torn between hascent support of the CSA and yet with historical hard feelings against Britain?
Imagine the rally around the flag recruitment in the North with the idea of traitors at home conspiring with foreigners to conquer America...Part of VA split off to side with the Union, thus West Virginia....would parts of the Confederacy have rejoined the Union?
Would the French Foreign Legion have invaded Arizona and Colorado?
Would the Briitish once again burn Washington, D.C.?
What roles would Spencers, Henrys, Gatling guns, Sharps, et al have played in bolstering the American cause?
Makes you wonder, doesnt it?