The 'unofficial' 58 Club

When it rains, it pours as they say.

I had been working on getting this one for quite some time now. Finally the owner caved in today and I just got home with it.

S prefix, 259XXX dates to late 1965. No box or goodies, but very lightly used. Unknown to origin but I am going to letter both of the 58's I now have in my collection.

The stocks are obviously not correct, but are nice none the less. I will probably use this one as my shooter and add a set of period correct football targets for range time.

I would rate it at about 96-98% condition, and I may be a bit conservative on that. I am happy to be able to now have both the blue and nickle examples in my collection...:D

Better photos soon, but wanted to put it up tonight.:cool:








What a small world, I just bought S2590XX. Recently sent it to the Performance Center to have the excessive end float corrected and to have it reblued. Other than the end float, it had the best action of any unmodified factory gun I've ever felt. Unfortunately, no pictures yet.

Keith 410-693-9265
 
I seem to have misplaced my S&W book, the edition I got my username in! :D , what was the first year of production, 64? I hope to find my birth year for my next 58 purchase, I believe 1966 is still a S prefix serial number. My current 58 is a N.
 
Update to my last post about the new (for me) model 58.

Holster came, and I got out to shoot again.

Holster is a Desantis N-frame thumb break style. It rides well. I wear a wide belt.

This time I did pretty good groups (for me) at ~7 yards. My dad came with me to the indoor range this time. We shot Remington 210 gr. JSP. He stood behind me, and he said that after I let loose the first shot, the boom was so loud that all the other shooters stopped and looked at our lane. When I finished up, the range officer's first words were, 'That was quite a show'.

I couldn't be happier with the model 58. It's a beautiful revolver that runs like a sports car.
 

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I believe it was July 10th of 1964 when the 58 was officially introduced. It was preceeded by the Model 57.
 
I seem to have misplaced my S&W book, the edition I got my username in! :D , what was the first year of production, 64? I hope to find my birth year for my next 58 purchase, I believe 1966 is still a S prefix serial number. My current 58 is a N.

Yes, 1964 to 1977.
 
FWIW, the M58 that I purchased new in '66 was serial #S259996.
I didn't keep it much longer than a year due to the cost and availability of ammo at the time
 
oldafsp....If you are looking for agencies that allowed the use of 57s and 58s I can tell you both Dallas and Houston PDs did at least up until the 1990s.

I carried 57s and 58s on Dallas PD from 1977-1988. I believe calibers larger than .357/.38 Special were eliminated in about 1993. Houston had allowed officers to carry .41 probably from the time .41s came into being. A good friend carried a nickel 6" 57 in 1972 when I was living there and I know he had been carrying since the 1968 riots when his city issue .38 kinda let him down.

Bob
 
My PD did not issue handguns back in the early 70s. My retired lieutenant carried a four inch Model 57 for several years.

During inservice this past October I was allowed to qualify with my Model 57. I have to carry my department issued Sig P220 while on patrol, but I tote the mighty .41 mag when I'm at court, etc.

It is a conversation piece like no other every time I wear it to something work related.

I would love to have a Model 58 to go with it. Hint, hint.
 
gentleman , when you carried your .41 magnums on the job , what holster did you use ?? any accessories ??

basket weave or plain?
 
oldafsp....If you are looking for agencies that allowed the use of 57s and 58s I can tell you both Dallas and Houston PDs did at least up until the 1990s.

I carried 57s and 58s on Dallas PD from 1977-1988. I believe calibers larger than .357/.38 Special were eliminated in about 1993. Houston had allowed officers to carry .41 probably from the time .41s came into being. A good friend carried a nickel 6" 57 in 1972 when I was living there and I know he had been carrying since the 1968 riots when his city issue .38 kinda let him down.

Bob

Thank you Bob, I have Dallas PD on my list as OIQ (optional if qualified) and Houston PD also.I have found unconfirmed references on your department stating the 41 was used from 1964 on. Now I can put a relative end year on that line.

For the members that keep up with this. It is by no means a small effort to research this. Trying to sort through postings on various gun forums, magazine articles, gun tests and the like.
Urban ledgends also have survived through countless stories told over the years.
When this project is done, I hope to have compliled the best information available and if a 4th Edition of the Standard Catalog of S&W is ever published, have it included.

I spent three years stationed at Lackland AFB. From 1975 to 1978 I was assigned as an instructor at the Air Force Security Police Academy. One of my neighbors was a San Antonio PD traffic officer, whom I shot with on a regular basis.

I had the wonderful opportunity to fire his Model 58 on numerous occassions. And therefore began my interest in this particular S&W.

So, even if you have any small piece of information, it greatly appreciated.
George
oldafsp
 
Here's a pic of my twins, one an "S" and the other an "N" prefix. Got the "S" at a great price from a friend and I was hooked! Fell in love with the caliber and the gun, hefty, no nonsense and built like a tank! Kept searching for another and came across the second one again at a great price! Mine shoot POA with Win Silvertips and love 170 grn JHP over 9.2 grn Unique.They are an addiction!
 

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Here's a pic of my twins, one an "S" and the other an "N" prefix. Got the "S" at a great price from a friend and I was hooked! Fell in love with the caliber and the gun, hefty, no nonsense and built like a tank! Kept searching for another and came across the second one again at a great price! Mine shoot POA with Win Silvertips and love 170 grn JHP over 9.2 grn Unique.They are an addiction!

Very nice, azrudy!
 
I do like these. Very nice!

Cheers,

Rick

Here's a pic of my twins, one an "S" and the other an "N" prefix. Got the "S" at a great price from a friend and I was hooked! Fell in love with the caliber and the gun, hefty, no nonsense and built like a tank! Kept searching for another and came across the second one again at a great price! Mine shoot POA with Win Silvertips and love 170 grn JHP over 9.2 grn Unique.They are an addiction!
 
Sharonville, Ohio Police Department model 58's

hi guys , I got the reseach bug a few years ago I got a couple of responses , here one, robbt

Our Smith & Wesson .41 magnum revolvers were issued in the late 1970’s. I am not sure of the exact dates but it was about 1978 or 1979. We switched from the .38 cal S&W. We used them until 1990 when we switched to the Glock .40 cal and the Glock .45 cal pistols.

There was no standard holster. Some wore thumb break holsters, some had open trigger holsters and others had the clam shell type. All leather was basketweave. All guns, leather and ammo were department issued/purchased.

The department phased out the pistols in 1990. At that time we had 43 issued guns with a few in reserve. That included all the full time police officers and our auxiliary force.
We used factory ammo. I believe it was Winchester hollow point ammo.

Officers carried 6 round in the gun and 12 extra rounds.
Officers used speed loaders, loops and dump pouches.
Some officers modified their gear and carried a combination
of 1 speed loader and a 6 round loop.

I still have mine at home.


Sincerely,


Lieutenant Mark W. Preuss
Sharonville, Ohio Police Department
10900 Reading Rd.
Cincinnati, Ohio 45241
 
hi guys , in light that we are al together perhaps we can collect serial block and when guns are lettered perhap we can ID which blocks were PD orders ??
just a thought all worn out now time for bed, robbt

I have a SFPD Stamped HOYT wonder if a model 58 rode in that holster ???
stuff dreams are made of
 
Robb I have added the Sharonville information to my list. Thank you.

Hoyt if I recall built the first clamshells. And other designs and were very popular on the West Coast with law enforcement agencies along with Safety Speed.

The last references I have found to Hoyt are dated around 2000 and they are since out of business.

I used this Safety Speed swivel rig for many years and still have it. I knew several departments that used N frames and have seen these used also over the years also.

I would love to find one for my 58's.

 
howdy oldafsp, please tell us more about the safety speed holster you carried any accessoiee s a pic would be great, robbt
 
Your asking me to dust off the old memory bank robbt..:D

I aqquired the Safety-Speed rig during a TDY(temporary duty assignment) to Vandenburg AFB in 1978. West coast departments always seemed to have the best choice of duty gear.

I was researching new equipment standards for the Air Force while assigned to the SP Academy. As times were changing, and a group of us were forwarding our recommendations up the chain of command. We were desperately trying to bring our equipment more in line with our civilian counterparts.

That said, the Safety-Speed was used by LAPD, LASO,CHP and numerous departments in So Cal back then. I tried one at a invitational combat match when I was there and loved it.

For patrol duty it was the ultimate rig for me. Comfortable and fast drawing. Well constructed with heavy stitching and heavy duty hardware. This rig I wasn't allowed to use during my military duties but it followed me into civilian law enforcement and served me well for many years until we sent to semi autos.

Ammunition carrier prior to the 1970's were the standard cartridge slide or belt loops or pouches. Either the fold over dump pouch or the double ended type. HKS made the rapid reloading of wheelguns affordable to officers and are still the most popular in my opinion.

Whereas departments in the Northeast were using makers such as Jay-Pee or Bucheimer. On occassion you would see some Safariland or Bianchi, but they were horribly expensive and not readily available in most gun shops or uniform dealers.

Don Hume was widely used during those wheelgun days and of very high quality. The Jordan Holster was the benchmark of leather gear, durable and beautiful at the same time. Hume made one of the very best double lined Sam Browne duty belts.

The basketweave pattern was much more durable than than plain leather for showing wear from daily use. And then of course we had the world famous Clarino patent leather finish...:eek: High gloss and useful for parade details but prone to cracking and splitting. And one dig from a door frame in Clarino was a glaring scar.

Comparing notes with others over they years, many officers had to supply their own gear. This was far more common in the southern states. Sometimes there were department standards or the officer was given an allowance for the purchase of his/her gear. Sometimes gear was let out to bid and of course the low bidder won.

I think that the history of law enforcement leather is a hand in hand subject with what we share here on the forum. And there is so much history to be learned.
 
oldafsp, great , when you state Safety speed I thought you were talking about a clamshell or front Break , I now see you carried a Safety Speed varition of the Border Patrol or Jordan style holster, many thanks,
wish I could find some dump pouches for my .41 magnums , will try to post a picture on my late model 58 tomorrow, the holster will be a suprise.

ineresting were Hoyt used during this era ??
most I see are dated late 1970's uo to the 90's when auto became king.
sorry been in the rhine wine.
 
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