There seems to be more to the EV story

Norway is lousy with ultra cheap hydropower. Probably has something to do with their numbers.
I was reading an article on this in The Guardian (ugh...) recently.

Not surprisingly, being the Guardian, it was all about heat pumps, but it's still relevant to "going electric."
"Device installed in two-thirds of households of country whose experience suggests switching to greener heating can be done"
Clearly this is working well for them, but this is important:
...But during the 1973 oil crisis, when prices shot up, the country's political leaders made a conscious choice to promote alternatives, and, unlike their counterparts elsewhere, they did not back away from that decision once the crisis eased...
So they had a substantial head start, as well as some wielding of the big stick:
...Norway ensured early on that fossil-fuel heating was the most expensive option, making heat pumps cost competitive," said Dr Jan Rosenow from the Regulatory Assistance Project, a thinktank that works to decarbonise buildings. "They did this by taxing carbon emissions from fossil heating fuels. That's been the key to incentivise heat pump adoption."
Much like our carbon tax here in Canada, although probably more severe. This is likely another major difference in Scandinavia, who have been traditionally very left-leaning and more accepting of governmental regulation.
...Norway also trained up a workforce to install them. While the devices themselves can be churned out of factories en masse, fitting them into homes can be fiddly and easy to mess up. In much of Europe, experts say, the lack of a skilled workforce is one of several bottlenecks holding the heat pump industry back...
Properly-trained workforce- what a concept! I had read about attempts in the UK to push heat pumps and, aside from so many older homes being woefully under-insulated and having dodgy windows, there have been numerous reports of insufficiently-trained installers mucking things up. (The Guardian article also says that "The Norwegians also benefit from well-insulated houses.") To some extent this may be true here as well, as every HVAC company jumps on the bandwagon. My gf's neighbours in WA state wanted to put a heat pump (mini-splits, I think) in their 70's-era rancher and got several quotes which were all over the map. I think they put one in themselves, with some knowledgeable help. This winter will show how well it works.

The Guardian article also mentions installing geothermal heat pumps, which do work very well, especially in very cold climates, but the cost is much higher than air-source. Useful for larger projects, though. My financial advisor lives in a 4-plex with a geothermal HP and has been very happy with it. But, like Norway, we in British Columbia have abundant "green" hydro, as does Québec. There is currently a real political firestorm brewing between our Feds and the prairie provinces, who are insisting that the "one size fits all" clean energy proposals being foisted across the country are simply impractical on the prairies, who don't have abundant green hydro.

Upgrading the grid itself, of course, is another problem entirely, as some here have mentioned. And there is still the question how to cope when the power goes out!

Going back to the original question of EV's in Norway, this article suggests that there is some rethinking on Norway's adoption of them.
Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts
 
My brother-in-law has an EV (Chevy Bolt). It is a nice, peppy and sporty little car, but due to a few scares trying to use it for medium distance trips that are supposed to be in the cars range,he has pretty much relegated it to running around town. My son-in-law's brother has a Tesla. On a 20 mile trip in hot southern summer weather, he had to turn off the AC to get to his destination. Not practical for me, but a hybrid would be okay.
 
EVs are a scam. Full stop. They take a lot of resources to make and to power, and will create a lot of waste directly and indirectly. Hybrid, at least for some uses? Sure, I would consider that. Full EV? Clownshoes.
Pretty much my assessment of the whole situation as well.
If the government "solution" requires subsidies and (ultimately) FORCE to be implemented, then something is rotten in Denmark. Smells fishy to me...
 
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As soon as Boeing converts a 767 to "all electric" I'm hopping on board. Joe
LOL, all electric? Fuggetaboutit...

Our gooberimint alphabet-soup agencies can't even certify jets to fly on biodiesel - a 100% proven fuel.

Expecting them to certify an all electric plane is a total pipe-dream!
 
As soon as Boeing converts a 767 to "all electric" I'm hopping on board. Joe
You're a braver man than I am, Gunga Din! (Although there are some short-run electric planes running between Vancouver BC and Vancouver Island now)

As to EVs and resources, I read recently that they can make about 14 hybrids for the (battery) resources required for one EV, making a hybrid a more practical choice in terms of consumption of resources.

But I wouldn't agree that EVs are a scam; they clearly work well for some people. My main concerns are the long-term availabiity of battery materials, esp. in the quantities we will need if we must go all-electric, the cost of replacing the battery several years down the line (and will newer battery technologies be one-for-one retrofits) and putting all my transportation eggs in one basket.
 
If the gubbermint's fur it, I'm again' it.

While I can certainly appreciate the sentiment, in light of our current "government", I still can't fully subscribe to your contrarian philosophy.

Every "government" program and idea has to be evaluated, and either opposed or supported, on its own merit. There is no appropriate "blanket" response.

Universally opposing anything the "government" does amounts to being opposed to the basic concept of government. Including government "of the people, by the people, and for the people".

Being oppositionally defiant of any and all governmental action, just for the sake of being opposed to anything and everything the government attempts to do, amounts to advocating anarchy, IMO.

I can't support that train of thought. SOME government is necessary. Opposing ALL government is equivalent to advocating anarchy.

There has to be a reasonable middle ground between overbearing government and anarchy.

JMO, and YMMV...
 
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OK. you geniuses, tell me, 550 mile road trip in 0 degree weather, how many times would I have to charge an average EV? (excluding Tesla) and how long does each charging take? IF I can find chargers in rural Iowa and Missouri.
After I get your answer I'll tell you my side of it.
Well, I'm automatically disqualified as I'm not a genius, but off the top of my head I'd guess the answer is 42.

But I'd predict you'd be bitterly disappointed (or die of exposure, whichever came first), even in a Tesla.
 
Video description: As with previous video with penetration of a lithium ion battery, this time we demonstrate blunt impact of a lithium ion battery.

Such demonstrations for our students, show the effects of these batteries when involved in impact or fire as part of a motor vehicle collision at the roadside.

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Kinda reminds me of a tank cooking off after a direct hit.
 
Why are the car makers not covering the vehicles with solar cells? Recharge as you drive?
 
Why are the car makers not covering the vehicles with solar cells? Recharge as you drive?

it's nearly pointless.
The solar cell has improved some since the 80's, but essentially they provide modest power at best.
It'd take about two years of being parked in the desert to charge the car.
 
OK. you geniuses, tell me, 550 mile road trip in 0 degree weather, how many times would I have to charge an average EV? (excluding Tesla) and how long does each charging take? IF I can find chargers in rural Iowa and Missouri.
After I get your answer I'll tell you my side of it.
The utility company recently installed a charger in our Iowa town . They neglected to put up a sign so I'm not sure if anyone even knows it's there.
 
I read that several virtue signaling states have backed away from taking their fleets to all electric. That should tell you something about their reliability. (I don't have the articles so I can't provide sources)

As I said before, electric may be viable but you can't just force it to happen.

And BTW there will be plenty of people who become "Bush" family wealthy from green energy.

As far as government goes, the way things have gone recently I am extremely suspect of anything the legislators on both sides of the aisle propose. Somehow it feels like the Spy v Spy in Mad Magazine for those who recall the cartoon and We The People are always on the side about to take it in the shorts.
 

It will be a good test of the technology. I doubt we will hear much if there are issues.

It is one thing to announce it and be a few months in. Long term sustainability is what seems to be the concern. I hope it works for them, I really do, but I have my reservations. If nothing else it would be a good way to further ingratiate oneself with the green technology group.

Was Amazon the ones that were going to do the drone thing? I might be mixing them up with someone else.
 

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