Thinking about a Marlin Model 90 (GOT IT - UPDATED WITH PICS)

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A local shop has a 12 gauge Marlin Model 90 over/under. Price seems pretty reasonable at $279 with some room for downward movement.

Its not the most elegant thing but it seems well made. I think it is an early one - no gap between the barrels, no letter prefix in the SN, fore end is held on with two screws, and double triggers. The front bead has gone missing. The stock in very plain and uncheckered.

Thoughts?
 
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The early 90's had the forend held on with a simple over-center spring (J Spring).
The earliest of those have the forend iron NOT extending to the action/frame flat when viewed from the side.

Then the iron was redesigned and it was extended so it was level with and made an unbroken line with the side of the frame.
Both these used the J-Spring attachment. The latter was used to the early 50's.

Then the finger operated pull down latch was used to lock the forend onto the bbls after that and till the end of production,about 1962/63.

Side ribs on the bbls until about the same time as the switchover to the manual forend latch,,early 1950's.
No ribs from there on out on regular production,just the separating block at the muzzle.
Double trigger guns were discontinued about '57. But remaining inventory got sold sometimes a few years later. The Single trigger came about a couple years prior to the twin trigger model being dropped.

The 'SkeetKing' Model is one of the rare ones that accumulators look for. 12,16,20 & 410. better grade wood, engraving, ect. Supposedly bbls adjusted for best Skeet patterning. It's a pre-War offering only IIRC, just a couple years.

The Combination rifle/shotgun M90's getsome attention too. These were also pre-War guns. Even a few O/U rifles made in small calibers.
Smaller dia strikers and steel firing pin bushings in the frame on factory made rifle caliber guns.

The frame is iron on these,,plenty strong for the gauges and small rifle cartridges it was made in.
It will turn a brown/red/purple color if reblued w/a hot salt bluing however and you see a lot of them that have been aftermarket reblued.
Rustblue was the original finish from the looks of them. The bbls definetly rust blued as they are soft soldered together

IIRC, the stocks were checkered on regular production guns starting just after WW2.
The pre-War guns were uncheckered,plain and marked either Marlin or Ranger.
Ranger marked guns were for sales through Sears who actually pitched the idea of the O/U to Marlin in the first place and kicked in a considerable amt to start the project.

Post-WW2 guns for Sears were to be marked JC Higgins.
No 'Marlin' marked guns were supposed to be sold through Sears, just their proprietary brand,,this was Sear's idea. But after WW2, Sears wanted and got Marlin to mark their guns with the Marlin name also.

Striker fired as mentioned,,the entire sear, striker, mainsprings, sear springs assembly is removed and installed as a unit. I think they called it a searbox that held all the parts together.
Makes for handy work, but you must compress the strikers w/a clamp before taking the unit out or putting it back in.
Don't try it w/o doing that! There's nice square opposing edges to clamp and compress everything but when working with springs, eye safety is a must. They can get away on you.

Check the safety for proper operation. Some can be fired with the gun on Safe. Some you can get the safety to move from Safe to Fire by repeatedly pulling the trigger,,kind of tapping on it with your trigger finger.

You won't know if the double trigger gun 'doubles' due to a worn sear or striker sear edge till you shoot it. Sometimes bouncing the UNLOADED but cocked gun on it's butt w/the safety off will display a worn sear by having it fire. Careful not to break the original butt plate if it's still on there.
You can check for yet side step the unpleasent doubling effect in live fire by placing a live round in one chamber and an empty in the other (I don't like to dry fire guns).
Fire the one live round and simply see if the second bbl is still cocked and will 'fire' the empty,,or if it has doubled and fired along with the first bbl.
The Single Trigger is a mechanical one and works off the guns recoil. A counter weight is supposed to block it from doubling, but that can fail too. Single triggers can just be a real problem no matter the brand.

When I worked at Marlin, they told customers that we didn't have any more parts to repair these after about 1971 and simply returned the guns to their owner.
In fact we had shipping crates full of them including bbl sets in any gauge and even rifle and combination bbl sets. All had been packed up at the NewHaven plant and taken to and stored in the new (at that time) North Haven factory. That got to be the line given to customers about most any of the older guns,,No Parts Available.
Last I knew the parts were all sold to Numrich,,and that was in the late 80's or perhaps early 90's.
 
I had a single trigger Model 90 years ago that I picked up used. It didn't look like it had been used much and didn't appear to be monkeyed with in any way but it doubled more often than not. Contacted Marlin and got the "no parts" story. Later I was told that the double trigger version is more desirable because of this problem.
 
Here's my experience so far ;

Not long ago, I picked up a Sears branded Ranger 103-10, which is a rebranded Marlin mod 90. I don't have the exact year, but it was made shortly before WWII and features nice checkered Walnut, 2 and 3/4" chambers and full/mod chokes. Lead trigger activates lower (mod) bbl and rear trigger activates top (full) barrel.
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I measured out 40yrds at my tactical compound (folks house in the hills :supergrin: ) and used a couple loads spanning the extreme range of 12ga ammo.
I wanted to pattern the gun using trap loads, hoping to glean some idea of the choking difference and where the bbls were regulated. I used Fed low brass no. 7&1/2 trap loads.
Then, I moved in to 25yrds and tried the gun with Estate OO buckshot.

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The gun worked very well, recoil was light with trap ammo and decently stout with the buckshot. Triggers are crisp, but a little stiff...probably about right for a bird gun, heavy for a trap gun.
I was pleased to see patterns were usable and barrels appear to be regulated just on top of the bead.
I marked the 'X' on the exact spot I held the bead on the 40yrd targets.
Top barrel
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Bottom bbl, a little more sparse with the Mod choke
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No expert, but those seem like pretty useable patterns, though certainly there were a few holes a pigeon could get through. I'm sure some ammo will pattern better than others, but if anything it's pretty tight for trap shooting , I think.

The buckshot was done at 25yrds
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The nine .32 cal pellets really helped illustrate the difference in choking, but regulation here was really good again.
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Fun times, I forgot how fun running the shotguns can be.
 
I weaseled 'em down and brought it home.



Its a nice solid gun. 30" barrels, which are probably choked Full and Fuller.



Plenty of blue wear. I'll probably just cold blue it. I understand it doesn't take hot blue well due to an iron receiver and some soft soldering.

A friend is sending me a bead:



Double triggers are kind of cool on an over/under:



Nothing fancy here:



Still has the Marlin bullseye:



No rib, but some snazzy wavy lines:



I figure for the half the price of the cheapest import, this old American blaster will have a good home with me.
 
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It's still a good looking working class shotgun, not too bad to shoot either.
 
Holy Smoke, that's a WAFFLETOP!!!

For those who know Marlins, specific years used that design...
others years tend to be smooth or d/t'd for scopes...
so you probably have a 1950-1954 model...
although someone should be able to narrow that down a bit with the barrel stamp
or the first two numbers of the serial (as in 45xxxx or whatever)

I've got a 1952 Marlin 336RC with the waffletop feature,
its a very enjoyable shooter!


Oh, doesn't one have to use a certain loading/ammo type with the older shotguns??
 
Waffle top here, too. My understanding is the 20ga versions are worth considerable cheese to collectors.
 
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Just found this discussion about Marlin model 90's. I own 16 Model 90's and thought I might offer some additional information about these great guns. Below is a photo of showing 10 of them. My favorite upland bird gun is the a 16 ga. with 26" barrels shown 4th from the left. 26" barrels were typically choked IC/Mod while 28" barrels were typically choked Mod/full. Marlin also sold the 12 ga. with 30 inch barrels choked Mod/full. 16 ga and 20 ga Model 90's were made on the same down-sized frame.

Sears held the original patent and contracted Marlin to manufacture the gun in 12, 16 and 20 gauge starting in 1937. Sears sold the gun as the Ranger 103.xx and Marlin sold it as the Model 90 . After WWII Sears model 90's were sold as the JC Higgins 103.xx. Marlin introduced the .410 and .22/.410 combo in 1939. They also offered the combos in .22 Hornet/.410 and .218 Bee/.410. There are no records remaining to indicate how many were made but .410s and the combos are very rare . As mentioned above, Marlin also sold an upgraded model 90 Skeetking by special order in 1939 and 1940. Also very rare.

Checkering was an extra cost option prior to WWII. After WWII all model 90's had a letter prefix in the serial number to indicate the year made. The guns had a solid rib between the barrels prior to 1949. After 1949 they were open between the barrels. The lever forearm was introduced in 1951. Marlin introduced the single trigger model 90 in 1954.
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Here are some photos of my special order 16 ga. Model 90 Skeetking (also 3rd from the left above). The engraving on this gun is very similar (some of the patterns are identical) but more elaborate than on a "standard" Skeetking. Chokes were adjusted at the factory to give the best pattern at 20 yards (bottom barrel) and 30 yards (top barrel. This one has a non-selective single trigger but most were DT's.
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The first two photos below are of my very early 12 ga. Ranger 103.1 that has a first generation forearm and a top lever attached to the frame with a flat head screw. Interestingly, that early Ranger 103-1, probably made in late 1936 or early 1937, has a plain barrel without the "waffle top" pattern.

The third photo is my 12 ga. Model 90 with the flying duck scene stamped on the frame (probably made in 1937 or 1938). It has the 2nd generation forearm and the waffle top pattern on the barrel.

Marlin stamped a bird dog scene on the frame of some model 90's in 1939 and 1940. A member of the Marlin Firearms Collectors Association told me that the bird dog scene was illustrated in the 1939 and 1940 Marlin catalogs but was not shown in the 1941 catalog.

Brophy devoted 8 pages to the Model 90 in his book, Marlin Firearms, A History of the Guns and the Company That Made Them, published by Stackpole Books in 1989. In it, he has a picture of a model 90 with the flying duck scene
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Marlin 90s

Nice gun, I would grab it in a heartbeat for money you are
talking. I have owned several, gently used, never had any
trouble with any of them. This is a true gun, not to be confused
with Mossberg pump things. Keep care of it, if you get tired
of it you can make a little on it.
 
Thank You BarkeyVA for the excellent post. I have my fathers Model90 in 16 ga. S/N 5490. It was sent to Herters in the early 60's and got a vent rib w/gold bead. I had it gone over and hand rubbed.You can just make out the dog on rec. Wow, that was a long time ago. Thanks!!!
 
90 Combo

I bid on a 90 combo a few years ago. It was under the Sears
Ranger label. I could be wrong but I think it was a 25/20 over
410. I got off at $650, think it went for $1100. It was cherry!
 
The last .22/.410 combo I saw for sale some time ago went for $1,900 and it was not in that good of shape. Two guys on Gunbroker were bidding against each other on a .22 Hornet/.410 that eventually sold for $3500!
 
WOW! What a GREAT thread! I have two of them. My favorite (and most used firearm) is my 1940-41 Ranger 103 (S/N: 8145) in 16GA. She's a helluva shooter. I like to drive to the Camp Pendleton Trap Range at lunch (3-minute drive from the office) and shoot 4-5 rounds of trap.

I presume she's 1940-41 by the Ranger 103 designation and the serial number as well as the wood and checkering pattern.

She'll soon be off to Dougs Gunsmithing in Minnesota for tightening of the "bite". Apparently Doug Braker will weld material onto the hinge pin and the barrel's forend lug and re-fit the action.

My other is a 12GA that was made in the early 50s and is a Marlin marked gun. Haven't shot her much, as she's waiting on new striker springs. Wolff makes a pack of coil springs to fit to old shotguns.

The Model 90 and her variations are wonderful 'trunnion' guns and will give a lifetime of use.

My 16GA is the apple of my eye. She has had some use and has years and years left in her. The rust blue is about 85% on the receiver and about 90% on the barrels. The barrels ring true. I had the wood re-done about 3 years ago. Still left a few dings, but made couple chip/gouge repairs and oiled the wood. Perfect. She's a killer at the Trap Range.

Wonderful thread guys! Thanks for sharing!
 

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