Thoughts on 642?

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I've been mulling getting a new gun for carry and also shooting and defensive purposes. Huge S&W guy, just can't get into Rugers even though they are nice guns. But I refuse to own a Smith with a lock. So I think I've decided to get a 642. Are they good? I've handled them, they seem well built, and a shop nearby has some with rosewood grips which are incredibly nice. I can always get a 357 down the road, should I get a 642? I think all of them do not have the locks too which is nice.
 
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I have a 642, I love it for ankle and pocket carry. Its very accurate at 10 yards and closer.

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Be careful. There are 642/442 models with locks. The ones without the locks are the 642-1/442-1. With the locks, 642-2/442-2.

Personally, I think they make great carry guns. Lightweight, compact, reliable, controllable with proper load selection, good accuracy. Inexpensive (not cheap!), and pretty easily available, so if it needs to be replaced for whatever reason, getting another one shouldn't be too much of a difficulty for most people.

Finish issues with the 642 seem to be hit-or-miss. Some people report finish issues shortly after purchase, others report none, even after hundreds of rounds and years of carry. My first 642-1 started wearing pretty badly within a few months, but it didn't affect its function so it didn't bother me. I've had my second 642-1 for over a year-and-a-half and it's only been in the last few months (maybe?) that I've started seeing some finish wear on the backstrap (holster wear doesn't count).

Full disclosure: My first 642-1 broke its hammer stud after ~1500 rounds, about 1/3 of them +P, plus probably 8-10x that many dry fires. However, the gun was purchased new so S&W replaced it for free under warranty, and even reimbursed my transfer and NICS fees. So even if you're unlucky enough to get a lemon 642 (which I think is pretty rare), S&W will generally take care of you. I wouldn't hesitate to get another one.

The difference between the 642-1 and 442-1 is the finish. The 442-1 finish does seem to hold up better, and it's black so it doesn't stand out as much if it should be unintentionally exposed somehow. However, you have to keep up on the maintenance to keep it from rusting. That's why I prefer the 642-1's stainless steel components...less maintenance.

Triggers seem to be hit-or-miss, too. Some people get great triggers out of the box, others get not-so-great triggers. My first 642-1 had a good trigger, and got better with use. My second 642-1's trigger could be better, but it's certainly usable for its intended purpose.
 
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I have several J frames including a 642. My favorite is a 640 Pro but sometimes I find it too heavy and I rarely shoot magnums out of it. My 642 is probably my least appreciated carry piece because it is plain and utilitarian -- but it is probably the most practical of all my carry guns.

Light weight, very reliable, accurate enough for a snub. In a good holster you almost forget it is there. Make sure to check though because for a while you could buy a lock or no-lock variety.
 
I had finish problems with a 642 I purchased in 2015. Found out the factory warranty on the finish is for one year.

Also bought a 442-1 Pro-Series (moon clip version) at approx the same time. The finish on the 442 is holding up much better. The barrel is canted, but the finish is great.
 
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I bought a 642 for the wife's purse. Liked it so much I bought one for me. I agree with all the points above however I have not seen the finish issues mentioned. Not surprised just haven't seen it yet.
 
I have owned a 642 for many years and I picked it up as a BUG when I was on patrol back sometime in the 1996-2002 timeframe. It has served me well for all of these years and although a G27 handles back up duty these days, the 642 still goes bang - just like when it was new. The finish on it is trashed - the backstrap looks like raw metal at this point, but it has not had a negative impact on its reliability.

I have always run +P Gold Dots as duty ammo and I see no reason to change now that the 642 is used for other tasks. Snappy little kick with +P ammo, but it is very controllable and 100% reliable. It serves its purpose well.
 
I can think of 5 642s in my extended family, couple are the no lock type. I have 640, 642, 940, Ruger SP-101, and had a 649, but the 642 is lightest and most convenient to carry of the bunch. I don't find recoil to be much different than the other 38 Spcl. guns. 9MM recoil in the little steel framed guns is much more noticeable. The chronograph reveals why.
 
Love my 642-1 no-lock. As other said above serves purpose very well. Drop in pocket (with pocket holster) when doing yard work or stepping outside at night for a short walk. I mostly carry it IWB. The 642 will definitely earn it keep.
 

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Yea I've handled them at gun shops and they feel very natural and it's something I'd actually carry with me importantly. I guess some new 642 and 442 have the lock and some don't. OBviously I want one without the lock. My lgs said he had a couple, one with rosewood grips, but not sure if that has a lock or not. Can't beat a new Smith without a lock on it! Down the road I may get a 357 of some kind maybe an sp101. But right now price and practicality are paramount.
 
I have a 442 no-lock that's the New York Reload for my M&P 340. My wife doesn't like the look of black revolvers so she has a 642 no-lock that she likes to carry in her purse.
 
Really cool to see how many savvy pistoleros are on this thread. When the first 442 appeared in the pro shop at our NYC range in the mid 90s, we were in awe. The prior models 40 and 42 were out-of-print and we all wanted a Centennial design as a BUG or off-duty weapon. A LEO snagged that first 442 very quickly!

I almost wish (not quite) the factory would stop producing so many variants of the 442/642 design. For some reason (:D), this J-hound seems to want each one...

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I must be doing something wrong because my 642-1 is the most uncomfortable/painful firearm I have to shoot (even with wadcutter loads). My pre-36 with banana grips is much more comfortable to shoot. I would like to know of any tips in regards to shooting a 642 that would make it more comfortable. Thanks.
 
Several friends and family members have both 442 and 642 no-locks. They're all good shape QC wise (shoot good with no canted barrels, etc).
Finish shows wear on some that get carried/used a lot but not to the point where they need attention IMO. At that time, I guess will try duracoat, etc.
I say buy/try one especially if can inspect it beforehand for quality issues. Nothing wrong with the newer Bodyguard series and Ruger (I've tried them) but much prefer the J-frames/Centennials.
 
I must be doing something wrong because my 642-1 is the most uncomfortable/painful firearm I have to shoot (even with wadcutter loads). My pre-36 with banana grips is much more comfortable to shoot. I would like to know of any tips in regards to shooting a 642 that would make it more comfortable. Thanks.

I'm sure I'm stating the obvious, but the steel J-frames like your Chief's Special isn't going to kick as much as a lightweight J-frame like the 642.

Changing your grips is probably the best thing to try. Have you tried putting the banana grips on the 642?

Grips can be a very personal matter. What works for me may not work for you or anyone else. You have to experiment through trial-and-error until you find something that works.

Having said that, I like Spegel boot grips because their shape fills my hand without being bulky, plus I have the Centennial version where the "ears" go all the way up the recoil shoulder on the grip frame. I prefer them to the current OEM rubber boot grips. However, they can be hard to come by, with a waiting list about a year long for new grips. Eagle, Hogue, Altamont, and VZ make similar style grips.

Grips that cover the backstrap may help, too.

Gripping the stocks hard can also help. I grip hard enough that the gun shakes, then back off the pressure until the shaking stops.

You can also try the really light loads, like Hornady's Critical Defense. While I normally try to stay away from light loads for self defense, if they're what works best for you then that's what you should use.

It could also just be a matter of getting used to it. I carried Federal 125gr Nyclads until I got used to shooting +P ammo. Now I carry Speer 135gr SB-GDHP +P.

Finally, if you try several different things and none of them work for you, it's ok if you decide the 642 isn't for you. Lightweight snubs aren't for everyone, and that's perfectly fine. Maybe getting the all-steel version, like a 640-1, would work better for you.

Just my thoughts on the matter, FWIW.
 
I must be doing something wrong because my 642-1 is the most uncomfortable/painful firearm I have to shoot (even with wadcutter loads). My pre-36 with banana grips is much more comfortable to shoot. I would like to know of any tips in regards to shooting a 642 that would make it more comfortable. Thanks.

The J-Frames I shoot a lot have a Hogue and a Combat S&W Grip. See the picture on my past post. I exchanged the Combat for Pachmyer Compacts. I like them better.
 
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