Thoughts On Pending AR Ban

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So I will be giving away my age when I tell you all that I was not of legal age to buy a "Modern Sporting Rifle" last time the AR ban was in place. Consequently, I don't remember/know what it was like to live under that ban. If the worst should happen, and a new AR ban of some kind gets forced through... what should I expect? I know I'm asking for a lot of guesswork and hypotheticals since we have no way of knowing what might be passed and what won't, but how was it to live under the old ban? Could you find "pre-ban" items if say: you needed a new mag spring for a 30 round mag, or broke your collapsible stock, or cross threaded your flash suppresser? Or were you just SOL?

Hopefully this makes sense. My main concern is that I don't have the resources to run out and buy additional rifles and/or all the spare parts that could possibly break on my current weapons. Not to mention, I probably would never be able to find those items in the current market anyways. Should I vacuum seal my rifle and never take it out of the safe again for fear that something will break and I'll never be able to replace it? What is the opinions and experiences of the more "seasoned" members of the forum?

Thanks guys!
 
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I can only guess, but being a parts scrounger for my S&Ws and Winchesters, while guns and mags may dry up, operating parts are usually not included in a purge. Your talking billions of items and I have found boxes of parts from the civil war in my quest for a screw, a spring, etc. Receivers are the only parts to have numbers on them. The logistics of controling these items would be a nightmare. The Army has enough of a problem keeping up with its weapons, much less all the repair parts. Possession of a spring or even a barrel or a sight in not prohibited. An then there are the forgotten stashes that are rediscovered long after the owner moved on. Not to worry, they (the parts) are out there.
 
I survived the 94 ban, once the initial whoop dee doo died down parts and everything else was readily available.
From complete pre ban and post ban uppers and lowers to parts kits and anything else you'd need.
The only really difference was that pre ban magazines and lowers prices went through the roof, everything else was pretty much the same.
Me, I never much paid it any attention, I built what I wanted the way I wanted it and gave that stupid law the middle finger.
 
We pretty much already have all of the large capacity magazines we will ever need. Panic is stupid, regardless of which side of the ban controversy anyone may reside.

Very few guns are every worn out (except pot-metal cheapies that were never intended to survive very long anyway). I agree that there will be parts to keep them running for along time, certainly for the life of an original owner.
 
It will never pass Congress again. 1994 was a test of this ban, and the Columbine massacre in 1999 proved that it didnt work. It expired in 2004 and Congress has since then always chosen not to reinstate it because they have seen that it wont stop violence.

They may pass a law on high capacity mags, but that will be the only thing they will get from us.
 
The difference is that back in 1994 there were not as many firearms enthusiasts who owned some flavor of modern sporting rifle as there is now. There are more of us to resist and fight against additional gun control legislation. We have better communication and organization than back then.
 
JaPes said:
The difference is that back in 1994 there were not as many firearms enthusiasts who owned some flavor of modern sporting rifle as there is now. There are more of us to resist and fight against additional gun control legislation. We have better communication and organization than back then.
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You will not see another ban. The major difference is the Republicans control the House. The Democrats controlled both the Senate and House by large margins in 1994 and still had to compromise to get what they got.

Other major differences are that the majority of Americans now believe in the right of self defense and the right to own firearms. That was not so in 1994. In 1994, there were no "shall issue" states for concealed carry permits. Now that's the norm.

I seriously doubt that there will even be a magazine ban. Maybe "universal" background checks, but even that is not a slam dunk.
 
MichiganScott said:
You will not see another ban. The major difference is the Republicans control the House. The Democrats controlled both the Senate and House by large margins in 1994 and still had to compromise to get what they got.

Other major differences are that the majority of Americans now believe in the right of self defense and the right to own firearms. That was not so in 1994. In 1994, there were no "shall issue" states for concealed carry permits. Now that's the norm.

I seriously doubt that there will even be a magazine ban. Maybe "universal" background checks, but even that is not a slam dunk.
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This. EXACTLY.
 
RHFactor16 said:
So I will be giving away my age when I tell you all that I was not of legal age to buy a "Modern Sporting Rifle" last time the AR ban was in place. Consequently, I don't remember/know what it was like to live under that ban. If the worst should happen, and a new AR ban of some kind gets forced through... what should I expect? I know I'm asking for a lot of guesswork and hypotheticals since we have no way of knowing what might be passed and what won't, but how was it to live under the old ban? Could you find "pre-ban" items if say: you needed a new mag spring for a 30 round mag, or broke your collapsible stock, or cross threaded your flash suppresser? Or were you just SOL?

Hopefully this makes sense. My main concern is that I don't have the resources to run out and buy additional rifles and/or all the spare parts that could possibly break on my current weapons. Not to mention, I probably would never be able to find those items in the current market anyways. Should I vacuum seal my rifle and never take it out of the safe again for fear that something will break and I'll never be able to replace it? What is the opinions and experiences of the more "seasoned" members of the forum?

Thanks guys!
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Pick up one of the AR15 survival kits from Cabelas? I kept one in my AR range bag at all times :p
 
JaPes said:
The difference is that back in 1994 there were not as many firearms enthusiasts who owned some flavor of modern sporting rifle as there is now. There are more of us to resist and fight against additional gun control legislation. We have better communication and organization than back then.
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Wow, you really made me realize how much different we have it now to then, especially since I was under 18 then, but still! The Internet has allowed us a great way to band together, albeit we are all S&W fans, not just AR fans in general. We have the ability to commuicate and create a mass army of mostly like-minded people to fight for the same cause... Let's hope the Internet kill switch doesn't stop us:rolleyes:
 
I doubt that any ban will pass because the house is controlled by the Republicans and even Democrats in the senate and house that are up for election in 2014 could lose their seats over this issue. After the last assault weapon ban the democrats lost 8 or 9 seats in the next election including their head of the Senate who didn't even get reelected.
 
What concerns me more is the actions that may be taken by individual states. It's always been CA in the lead for crazy restrictive gun regulation. But with NY upping the ante I fear the worst when the new legislation is presented here in CA. :(
 
Pick up one of the AR15 survival kits from Cabelas? I kept one in my AR range bag at all times

What is a AR15 survival kit? I searched Cabelas and didn't see it.
 
Just tried to buy one of those AR15 survival kits from Cabela's. Sold out just like everything else. Oh well.
 
Darin said:
Pick up one of the AR15 survival kits from Cabelas? I kept one in my AR range bag at all times

What is a AR15 survival kit? I searched Cabelas and didn't see it.
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You can Google for it and look at it. It's just a bunch of spare parts, etc. that you might one day need.
 
MichiganScott said:
You will not see another ban. The major difference is the Republicans control the House. The Democrats controlled both the Senate and House by large margins in 1994 and still had to compromise to get what they got.

Other major differences are that the majority of Americans now believe in the right of self defense and the right to own firearms. That was not so in 1994. In 1994, there were no "shall issue" states for concealed carry permits. Now that's the norm.

I seriously doubt that there will even be a magazine ban. Maybe "universal" background checks, but even that is not a slam dunk.
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I think that is exactly the kind of thinking that resulted in the last ban. If you think it can`t or wont happen -you better think again. If your not writting letters to Reps and Senators you might be surprised at what can happen.
 
Ever since Columbine, every shooting incident in the U.S. is reported by the media. Doesn't matter anymore if it's a handgun or long gun. The media benefits when the weapon is an "assault weapon" just so they can print/say it. It conjures up the fear in the public and causes politicians to react to the public's demand to do something. Naturally, the easiest thing to do is creat a ban on certain weapons. Mind you, it's the crazies and criminals who give our sport a bad name but there's no mention by politicians on what to do with them.

I watched the senate hearings yesterday and listened as Sen Durbin told LaPierre that much more stringent backround checks would deter criminals from purchasing a gun. I don't know what he was smoking but criminals don't legally buy guns now. They buy them off the street or steal them from law abiding gun owners.

Sorry to ramble, just my .02
 
My turn to rant...

You know what they say... There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. :D

I was listening to the news this morning and they had a sound bite of a ER surgeon saying how there were 30K gun deaths in the US versus a few hundred in the UK last year. But there's no breakdown of the numbers.

How many were suicides? LE or self defense related? How many were gang related?

Where did these deaths occur? Were they evenly distributed across the country or concentrated in a few urban areas?

As for the universal background check, in yesterday's hearing they spouted off a big number of gun sales that were denied due to a failed background check claiming that this proves that it works. However, since the vast majority of these rejections did not result in prosecution of the buyer, who can say that they didn't just go out and buy a gun on the street to use in a crime?

And where's the breakdown of the reasons why these sales were rejected? How many of them were in fact violent criminals. Someone could have a felony DUI on their record, does that mean that that person was about to commit mass murder when they attempted to purchase a gun?
 
Jim F said:
I think that is exactly the kind of thinking that resulted in the last ban. If you think it can`t or wont happen -you better think again. If your not writting letters to Reps and Senators you might be surprised at what can happen.
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Who said that I'm not writing and calling?

I don't see the NRA logo by your name. Since December, I've purchased a life membership for my grandson and a yearly membership for my boss.

What are you doing?
 
I watched that Senate hearing yesterday and almost cringed everytime Lapierre spoke. Nothing personal, but he shouldn't be the voice of the NRA. They need a spokesman who's got some charisma and charm. He doesn't have either.
 
There is a story going around now about a woman who has lost 4 children due to gun violence..the media is really playing hard in this fact, what they are totally ignoring is the fact that is was in Chicago and it was all gang related. In fact the last son was a member of one of the more violent gangs in Chicago. As Bill said there are lies, damned lies and statistics and as long as the storyline fits the media's agenda it will be laid out. Now they are starting to pick and choose what part of the story they will tell. A lie of omission is still a lie!!!
 
As already stated, these politicians are too scared to vote for a ban. For example, every one of our representatives in Arkansas have come out opposing any gun ban. The same is true in many, many other states as well. Despite the politics being placed here and the liberal media hype this won't happen. I am just sick and tired of the knee jerk reaction of everyone going out and buying up all the ammo for absolutely little to no reason. All this is doing is driving up the prices of everything. It is making my casual weekly target shooting very expensive.
 
BHarada said:
My turn to rant...

You know what they say... There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. :D

I was listening to the news this morning and they had a sound bite of a ER surgeon saying how there were 30K gun deaths in the US versus a few hundred in the UK last year. But there's no breakdown of the numbers.
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In Europe where there are gun bans,the suicide rates by gun have dropped but also climbed in other area's like jumping off buildings and bridges. Same for Japan where they are trying to get gun bans up. Never hear any anything about that either.
 
I would reply with my own opinion, but every time i speak about this topic my blood gets hot, my heart beats quicker and i see a mix of red and dark spots and occasionally foam at the mouth when politicians speak about it on television pretending they know every statistic they ever state is 100% fact and if you disagree, something is wrong with you.

So ill politely agree with the above.
 
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