Thoughts regarding a 45

wwsnyder

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I am thinking about a possible 45. I am a somewhat fickle gun owner. Currently I have a Shield-9, a G19 Gen4 and a P220R Stainless. The P220 is super nice but I don't feel it fits my needs. If I am able to unload it on my terms I want to replace it with a polymer striker 45.

My top 2 options (today) are the M&P45-mid size or the XD45.

I really like the Shield and its trigger. I am not too picky but I like a good reset. All the M&P45s I have handled in the local stores must have had the older trigger with the feeble reset. I don't really want to install an almost $100 trigger in a new gun.

The XD45 has an adequate trigger for my purposes. I once had an XD40 which I liked. And i have confidence that any new gun I order would have a decent trigger.

I would rather get an M&P made in the USA but I am leery of the old trigger.

Should I wait until the improved trigger is common in the M&P45?

Is there a partial APEK mod for a good reset?

Thanks for any thoughts...
 
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I have an XD-45 and it has a great trigger for a striker fired handgun. It has never failed to fire in the 5 years I have owned it. The M&P is a fine handgun too. I am not very picky about triggers unless it s a target pistol.
 
All the M&P45s I have handled in the local stores must have had the older trigger with the feeble reset.
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I would rather get an M&P made in the USA but I am leery of the old trigger.

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Should I wait until the improved trigger is common in the M&P45?
Since I've been offered a great opportunity to pick-up a "slightly used" M&P45 at a relative bargain price, your post jumped out at me.

Don't wish to hijack your thread, but could you please add a few words further explaining this old vs. new M&P45 trigger issue? Thanks!
 
I've got the M&P 45c and couldn't be happier. Since I live in Massachusetts, home of the 10lb trigger, almost all of my carry guns have had a trigger job. It's just part of the cost.
The only reason I wouldn't choose the xd is because of the grip safety, especially if it's a carry gun.
 
My Dad owns a 45 compact that shoots incredibly well. Great trigger (shoots the same to me as my 40 shield and both 40 Compacts), not much recoil (in my opinion), and overall easy to shoot. I actually have a Glock 30s (don't stone me yet...I'm still mostly an M&P guy!) that is slightly thicker in the grip but shorter in grip height (especially with the flush 9 round magazine) and holds more rounds than the stock 45 compact. I'd look at one of those two (45c or 30s) if it were me, but it's your decision. Springfield makes a good gun, but between the two you posted I'd go 45c.
 
XD-45, great pistol, never failed me.
Striker fired, cocked indicator, loaded chamber indicator, grip safety. What more could you want?

I too am not finicky about triggers. Shoot it enough and you will learn where it breaks.
 
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They are two different types of guns, IMO. I like the XDs. I would like it better if it had a safety lock. The M&P compact model is a lot bigger gun, or at least it seems so to me. I don't think of these two as doing the same job.

The most atrocious triggers I have seen on M&Ps seem to be on the smaller-caliber guns. My M&P.45 has a decent trigger, well, at least a usable trigger, whereas all the smaller guns I have handled did not. It seems like the M&P.45s tend to be easier guns to shoot well all the way around. I wouldn't be afraid to take a chance on the M&P if the gun is not too big for what you want to do with it.
 
XD-45, great pistol, never failed me.
Striker fired, cocked indicator, loaded chamber indicator, grip safety. What more could you want?

What more could I want? How bout no grip safety and no cocked/loaded chamber flag...

I'll stick with Glocks and (thumb safety-less) M&Ps, they go bang every time and don't have any unnecessary extra "features" that can cause a failure under stress (*cough* grip safety *cough*).
 
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I am thinking about a possible 45. I am a somewhat fickle gun owner. Currently I have a Shield-9, a G19 Gen4 and a P220R Stainless. The P220 is super nice but I don't feel it fits my needs. If I am able to unload it on my terms I want to replace it with a polymer striker 45.

My top 2 options (today) are the M&P45-mid size or the XD45.

I really like the Shield and its trigger. I am not too picky but I like a good reset. All the M&P45s I have handled in the local stores must have had the older trigger with the feeble reset. I don't really want to install an almost $100 trigger in a new gun.

The XD45 has an adequate trigger for my purposes. I once had an XD40 which I liked. And i have confidence that any new gun I order would have a decent trigger.

I would rather get an M&P made in the USA but I am leery of the old trigger.

Should I wait until the improved trigger is common in the M&P45?

Is there a partial APEK mod for a good reset?

Thanks for any thoughts...

I'm still trying to figure out how a P220 SS in .45 can't fill the same needs as an M&P or the XD?????.....is it the weight difference??.....because to me that's like comparing a Mercedes to a Chevy and a Yugo(sorry about the Yugo analogy...but that is as close as comparison as I could think of):cool:
 
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wwsnyder,

I've got a W.Germany P220 and it was a great pistol for its day. Though I have not fired it this century. I've owned a number of custom 1911's and while I really like them, the best out of the box .45 I have ever owned is/was an M&P mid-size .45.

I admit I had the first one fitted with an Apex Duty-Carry kit, and did an install on the second myself this weekend. But either could have been a decent duty carry w/o the kits. Both are thumb-safety models, but that is personal preference.

So go forth and get the US made Smith. You won't regret it! BTW, buy magazines and ammo too, now that both are available now!

Enjoy
 
I'd keep the 220 - you may regret it later. I have an M&P 45 FS that was made in late 08-09. It was purchased from an LE dealer and the trigger was decent for a polymer pistol. Had a positive reset too. See if you can get an LGS to order a new gun that is sure to have all the latest upgrades. I've handled a couple of M&Ps over the years that had the lousy, no reset triggers - shot one, however, and didn't notice. Everything I have bought, though has had the better actions.
 
45acp

Look at the MP 45 "c" 4' bbl short grip, had one sold it Was very nice

Also the XDM instead of XD they come in 3.8 and 4.5 I have both and work great.


Good luck
 
Love my M&P 45C....accurate and soft shooting, about the same size as a Glock 19, with much better ergonomics...at least for me.


 
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My M&P 45C doesn't have an audible reset as some like, but it has never bothered me. The trigger is fine imo and the weapon is smooth and accurate. The felt recoil is much less than on my XDS 45. Also, the melonite finish on the M&P is much better than on the XDS imo. That being said, the trigger on my XDS is better than on my M&P, and the XDS 45 is accurate. It took me longer to figure out a grip with it because of the much shorter sight radius, but once I did, it can compete with the M&P, no problem. If you want the easiest to carry, then the XDS 45 fits the bill. If you want one that you can still carry, albeit not as easy, and one that is also fun to shoot at the range, then get the M&P 45C. I can't speak to XD or XDM. Everything I have read says the XDM is better.
 
I have the 45c, and love it. I did install the Apex kit, but honestly can't tell too much difference. Since I'm not a Johnny-geewhiz combat shooter, I can't tell you about the reset, other than it resets for the next shot just fine. I prefer the grip on the c model, and it will take the longer mags if that interests you.
 
XD-45

Here's the benefit of cocked and loaded chamber indicator:

Your Humvee has just run over an IED at night. You come-to semi conscious in a dark alley and you hear some "tango s" coming your way. You can "feel" if your pistol is ready to go, rather than having to rack the slide and thereby giving away your position by that distinctive sound.

or

You are asleep in bed, and you hear that breaking glass downstairs. You don't want to turn on you light and give away your situation or location. You pick up your XD, no question if it's cocked and loaded.

or

You pick up your Glock and ask yourself, hmmm, did I put one in the chamber before I went to bed? No problem if you ALWAYS keep one in the chamber, but maybe some don't because of children in the house etc.

Neither the cocked indicator, (striker projecting from back of slide) nor the loaded chamber indicator (small projection on top of chamber) will interfere with the pistols reliability. And grip safeties have been in use since before 1911 and not many complaints about that one.

Here is some comments from a trainer of "operators" re XD-45.

Q:"According to the professionals and elite of the elite on another forum the XD is pretty much a range toy, prone to mechanical failures. Has anyone had problems with this line of pistols?"

A:"Yeah, whatever. I'll just bet they are all excited about the S&W M&P or something like that, ain't they?

I have shot the living **** out of several of the XDs, including a prolonged torture test on a .45 Tactical that appeared in SWAT Magazine in the July 2006 edition. That pistol currently stands at about 8K rounds with no drama.

They all ran pretty much flawlessly, and none of them had any mechanical breakage or terminal malfs of any kind. Any malfs we did experience were directly attributable to ammo quality or operator errors. I have not shot any of them in .40, all I have used have been 9mm and .45
also:
The standard XD model does not have a thumb safety anyway.
Grip safety and "safe trigger" trigger safety, and fully ambidextrous mag release with buttons on both sides!

They also have a tactile loaded chamber indicator and tactile cocking indicator. Steel sights instead of chocolate chips, (like standard on Glocks), and they point like a 1911.
Stainless steel magazines.

Integral pic rail underneath and they make a excellent platform for the (>$100.00, often about $65.00 now)) also very excellent Streamlight TLR1 weapon light.

They also take down far easier than a Glock. I have taught 14 year old girls that never handled a firearm before to take down and re-assemble an XD. They average about five to seven minutes of instruction before they have it down cold."

also:

"The XD is, for my money, the best straight from the box combat gun available today.
I tried one after Louis Awerbuck (RIP), told me that of all the pistols that come through his classes, the XDs were the ones that invariably made it through the classes without taking a dump in any way shape or form.
My own XD is the .45acp Tactical and we have thrashed the bejeesus out of it with no ill effects.
The round count is well in excess of 5K now, and no malfs.

I used to have literally every Glock model available. From 17 through 35, I had them all (except for an 18, dang it) and I now own zero Glocks.
I have personally witnesses Glocks failing in a multitude of ways, including having two model 23s blow upright next to me at the range, both times their extractors blew out and hit me in the left temple hard enough to stick there. I now stay to the left of Glock shooters.

The XDs have internal extractors, Thank God, and seem impervious to this particular failing. They also have more supported chamber area than the Glocks, as well as magazines that actually drop free, an ambi mag release, excellent safeties, loaded chamber indicator, cocking indicator, and a grip safety."


I do have a Glock 17 and like it, (the original and best IMHO), but the XD-45 is the one go to pistol for all occasions.
 
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The major benefit of the M&P over just about any semi auto handgun is the barrel position. It is lower than just about every other handgun. This makes recoil and follow up shots much more controllable.
 
I was bouncing back and forth between the XD-45 and M&P45C lately. However I have had no luck selling my very nice P220. After a couple of weeks I decided I was unwilling to lose money on it and besides it is a great gun. So I am sticking with it. Thanks for the inputs!
 

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