TIPPING - - SO OUT OF HAND NOW it's absurd!

[daveyc]

Atta boy!
See, a question like that.....
I can't tell if that's a wedge or a chisel you got there in your hand.

Do you keep up on that type of intel to beat a tip?
I mean I would't even have thought of this angle.

In my feeble eyesight, beginning your question by asking if someone should feel compelled to tip, that sort of jams a stick in my spokes. I don't ever feel "compelled" by anything other than a job well done.....I don't keep up with what the state Wage & Hour Board is up to.

I'm glad that after 60 years in the workplace I've finally been promoted to working retail. No expectation of a tip there by God.

The VAST majority of people do in fact feel compelled to do lots of things due to social conventions and pressures. That is germane to this discussion because it is the overwhelming reason people in this country tip. whether you think so or not, you are compelled to do many things in your daily life because of social conventions. we all are. That is why, when someone comes up against a long-held social convention, such as tipping, there is often some cognitive dissonance.

Tipping has morphed from its humble optional beginnings into an expectation regardless of service because most people feel compelled due to social convention/pressure.

 

[Krogen]

The VAST majority of people do in fact feel compelled to do lots of things due to social conventions and pressures. That is germane to this discussion because it is the overwhelming reason people in this country tip. whether you think so or not, you are compelled to do many things in your daily life because of social conventions. we all are. That is why, when someone comes up against a long-held social convention, such as tipping, there is often some cognitive dissonance.

Tipping has morphed from its humble optional beginnings into an expectation regardless of service because most people feel compelled due to social convention/pressure.

Very good point about social conventions and pressures. Looking at our current societal problems says to me that people are becoming less compelled to adhere to conventions. In many big cities, we are headed toward anarchy.

 

[rwt1405]

EMS, the redheaded step child of Emergency Services

 

[CH4]

In Knoxville last year we stopped off for a coffee at a small place that would not take anything bigger than a $20 bill. All I had on me at the time were $50 and $100 notes so I used a card. It was one of those large screen terminals with the tip request option.

Yeah, in most countries it's not expected, but in the USA it's looked at as an entitlement.

 

[BigBoy99]

Yeah, in most countries it's not expected, but in the USA it's looked at as an entitlement.

I only tip for the service which is provided. Last summer. we went to a restaurant and the water glasses were filled. Being a hot summer day, I emptied my water glass. The waitress came and took our order but didn't come back to refill the water glasses. I got up and got a water pitcher and filled my glass and those of the other three people at our table. While I was up, I noticed our waitress in the next room busy in conversation with the other wait staff. Our food came and during the course of the meal, I emptied my water glass again. No waitress ever came back to check on us. Again, I got up and got the water pitcher and refilled the water glasses. As before she was engaged with the other wait staff. When the bill was presented, I paid the bill (close to $100) with a credit card and wrote "cash" in the place for tip amount. Left a nickel on the bill paid with the card.

 

[daveyc]

I only tip for the service which is provided. Last summer. we went to a restaurant and the water glasses were filled. Being a hot summer day, I emptied my water glass. The waitress came and took our order but didn't come back to refill the water glasses. I got up and got a water pitcher and filled my glass and those of the other three people at our table. While I was up, I noticed our waitress in the next room busy in conversation with the other wait staff. Our food came and during the course of the meal, I emptied my water glass again. No waitress ever came back to check on us. Again, I got up and got the water pitcher and refilled the water glasses. As before she was engaged with the other wait staff. When the bill was presented, I paid the bill (close to $100) with a credit card and wrote "cash" in the place for tip amount. Left a nickel on the bill paid with the card.

I think that is a very sensible response to very poor service. in fact, I think she may have received .05 more than she deserved. I think if more people would do as you did, and not tip by rote or shame, perhaps the entitlement mindset would begin to change.

 

[Krogen]

Yesterday afternoon, I met some buds for Taco Tuesday at a local pub. Our server made a few mistakes and corrected them right away. The bill came in the form of an "electronic gadget." We had camped there for nearly 3 hours and didn't ring up a big bill. I tipped her well since she was pleasant and attentive, if somewhat scattered.

After navigating the payment device (they're all different, aren't they?) the paper receipt arrived with a 3% "s/c" entry. Presumably a surcharge that wasn't shown, or was in the fine print on the menu. Sure, I could have grumbled, but it was only 58 cents. Not worth the air it would take to draw a breath and speak the words. We all had a great time and treated her well. I figure my buds eventually noticed their 3% surcharge and didn't care either. No sense sweating the small stuff. Life is too short.

Of course, this is way different than being held up for an automatic 18% tip on takeout or the like. Still, yesterday's Taco Tuesday offers some situational perspective.

 

[Bekeart]

Ask for the Manager

I only tip for the service which is provided. Last summer. we went to a restaurant and the water glasses were filled. Being a hot summer day, I emptied my water glass. The waitress came and took our order but didn't come back to refill the water glasses. I got up and got a water pitcher and filled my glass and those of the other three people at our table. While I was up, I noticed our waitress in the next room busy in conversation with the other wait staff. Our food came and during the course of the meal, I emptied my water glass again. No waitress ever came back to check on us. Again, I got up and got the water pitcher and refilled the water glasses. As before she was engaged with the other wait staff. When the bill was presented, I paid the bill (close to $100) with a credit card and wrote "cash" in the place for tip amount. Left a nickel on the bill paid with the card.

The manager needs to know.
Unfortunately many managers do not manage the inmates.

Bekeart

 

[pantannojack]

I go to only one restaurant, once a week. Chili Relleno and Chicken Taco on the lunch menu comes to 12$. I pay 15$. That's enough.

In the working class bar I go to they lowered the Happy Hour price of 16oz can beer to 1$. That leaves room to tip the waitress to 2$ per. Otherwise they cannot afford to show up to work. A good draft costs a bit more.

 

[CH4]

A tip should be totally optional and not be expected. If you desire to leave a tip at all, what's wrong with leaving a flat rate? A simple acknowledgement showing appreciation. It shouldn't be a mandate. If your job doesn't pay enough, change professions. I am not a career counselor nor their employer. This should all be worked out between the employer and employee. Not my monkey. Not my circus.

 

[bruce5781]

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[Bald1]

I placed an online order with Beavertooth for 2 axe handles. When checking out I was prompted to add gratuity. It really really has gotten out of hand

 

[Bald1]

I go to only one restaurant, once a week. Chili Relleno and Chicken Taco on the lunch menu comes to 12$. I pay 15$. That's enough.

In the working class bar I go to they lowered the Happy Hour price of 16oz can beer to 1$. That leaves room to tip the waitress to 2$ per. Otherwise they cannot afford to show up to work. A good draft costs a bit more.

Tall boys for a buck?!?!?!?!? I'm moving to your town

 

[BC38]

I read an article the other day where the checkout process at a self-serve kiosk at a fast-food restaurant asked if the customer wanted to add a tip?
Again, the question is FOR WHAT? The machine isn't going to get the tip. The kids packing the orders aren't either. It is just an attempt to guilt people into paying more - or maybe to trick morons into paying more...

 

[LVSteve]

I read an article the other day where the checkout process at a self-serve kiosk at a fast-food restaurant asked if the customer wanted to add a tip?
Again, the question is FOR WHAT? The machine isn't going to get the tip. The kids packing the orders aren't either. It is just an attempt to guilt people into paying more - or maybe to trick morons into paying more...

It does make you wonder if there have been some business management courses over the last few years that say "Don't EVER set your prices to cover costs and reasonable profit. It will make your prices look higher and customers will stay away because they will think they are being gouged. Try and make the line with tips and service charges". Wanna see how this works? Just go online and start booking a hotel room on the Strip in Vegas. Oh sure, midweek the "room" is $69. But, as you get further in, here comes the $48 "resort fee".

 

[Golddollar]

I read an article the other day where the checkout process at a self-serve kiosk at a fast-food restaurant asked if the customer wanted to add a tip?
Again, the question is FOR WHAT? The machine isn't going to get the tip. The kids packing the orders aren't either. It is just an attempt to guilt people into paying more - or maybe to trick morons into paying more...

I never add tips to a credit card payment. I only tip in cash because I don't want the credit card fee deducted from the server's tip.

 

[ladder13]

Some don't tip at all.


Most Americans tip 15% or less at a restaurant — and some tip nothing

 

[Kevin J.]

For honarable service I always tip.

 

[Rustyt1953]

I need a tip calculation consensus app directly linked to this forum.

 

[swsig]

Loyola Johnson on WFAA ?

Iola -- yup.