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venomballistics
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bad combo ....
in fact I wouldn't use titegroup in a 44 magnum period.
if you want a powder for light loads use Unique .. in fact save some money on your bullet as well and sling about 200 grains of lead from a charge of Unique.
300 grain bullets are almost entirely 2400 H110 territory
in fact I wouldn't use titegroup in a 44 magnum period.
if you want a powder for light loads use Unique .. in fact save some money on your bullet as well and sling about 200 grains of lead from a charge of Unique.
300 grain bullets are almost entirely 2400 H110 territory
fredj338
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GUns have actually been blown up using TG & heavy bullets in many calibers. No room for error, none at all. You want a good mild 300gr load, start w/ Unique & work it up where you want it. I do think TG makes great plant fertilizer though.
venomballistics
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my thoughts exactly ... theres a price to pay for excessive penny pinching. Fine arms and body parts. Just because the velocity and recoil are low does not indicate that the chamber pressure is too in fact with TG in this case I suspect that the pressure will be nuclear before a passable load is achieved.
I’m one of the weird guys that really like Titegroup.
For me it has replaced Bullseye, Reddot & 700X. It is the only thing I use for 380 and 38spl. 357 up to mid power, 40s&w for light IDPA loads and then to 950fps with a 175 cast. It is the only powder I use in 45acp anymore and also 44 spl. It is also good for 45 Colt. I shoot 99.9% cast and do not push the envelope like I did when I was young and stupid.
In 44 mag I use a 240 SWC with 5 gr for bowling pins and plinking, towards the end of a bowling pin match the pins get heavy so I have some loaded with 6 gr.
I’m sure I wouldn’t try TG with a 300 grain SWC, and I won’t try to get a 240 SWC going 1300 fps with tite group either but that is not what it is made for. Some folks are very resistant to change, but think nothing of picking up a pound of Bullseye.
For me it has replaced Bullseye, Reddot & 700X. It is the only thing I use for 380 and 38spl. 357 up to mid power, 40s&w for light IDPA loads and then to 950fps with a 175 cast. It is the only powder I use in 45acp anymore and also 44 spl. It is also good for 45 Colt. I shoot 99.9% cast and do not push the envelope like I did when I was young and stupid.
In 44 mag I use a 240 SWC with 5 gr for bowling pins and plinking, towards the end of a bowling pin match the pins get heavy so I have some loaded with 6 gr.
I’m sure I wouldn’t try TG with a 300 grain SWC, and I won’t try to get a 240 SWC going 1300 fps with tite group either but that is not what it is made for. Some folks are very resistant to change, but think nothing of picking up a pound of Bullseye.
m657
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I have no use for a 300 gr 44 mag and haven't done any range work with it.
I do like titegroup for moderate loads in 38, 44 special and 45 LC.
I do like titegroup for moderate loads in 38, 44 special and 45 LC.
fredj338
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I tried BE about 30yrs ago, never bought another #. TG, nope, the idea of having a powder charge I can NOT easily see in a case seems foolish. Powder is the cheapest part of a handgun load, so I choose based on performance. Yes, TG has a place in bunnyfart loads, but pushing the top end in small volumn/high pressure rounds is running the edge IMO. You see a lot of guns blown up in IDPA & USPSA, guys trying to make major w/ either 9mm or 40 & TG pay a price.
Skip Sackett
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No Titegroup. Too little in the case to suit me. Pushing heavy bullets hard with it? Um, NO, bad idea. Then again, that isn't just true with Titegroup. Any fast burning powder would have the same limitation.
I even tried it in 500S&W Magnum for a light load. It worked and Hodgdon is pretty proud of that powder. The tout that it is position insensitive. Okay, maybe. I don't really care about that unless being position sensitive causes spreads to be enormous, something I am pretty sure isn't going to happen with most powders.
I too see no need for the heavier bullets in the 44Mag unless, maybe, it is out of a short barrel and you want to try to get more ME. For practical application of the 44Mag, handgun hunting, long distance handgun stuff, carbine hunting rounds, a longer barrel is needed and that means you can get more velocity and that means that a slower powder is the way to go. Although, slower powders always give more velocity no matter what the barrel length, it just stands to reason that pushing a heavy bullet you need a slower powder.
FWIW
I even tried it in 500S&W Magnum for a light load. It worked and Hodgdon is pretty proud of that powder. The tout that it is position insensitive. Okay, maybe. I don't really care about that unless being position sensitive causes spreads to be enormous, something I am pretty sure isn't going to happen with most powders.
I too see no need for the heavier bullets in the 44Mag unless, maybe, it is out of a short barrel and you want to try to get more ME. For practical application of the 44Mag, handgun hunting, long distance handgun stuff, carbine hunting rounds, a longer barrel is needed and that means you can get more velocity and that means that a slower powder is the way to go. Although, slower powders always give more velocity no matter what the barrel length, it just stands to reason that pushing a heavy bullet you need a slower powder.
FWIW
venomballistics
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I find some exceptions to the use of fast burning powders in magnums. one being wad cutters.
since the whole slug gets pushed into the case, the internal volume shrinks right into their ideal operating range.
what you seem to do with titegroup, is something I address with Unique... like you, its a product of getting over my young self
You have responded negatively to a couple of responses I have given to questions about the use of Titegroup but have not said what powder and weight you use.
I shoot 6 IDPA matches a month during daylight savings time and 2 a month during winter at our local club. I SO the winter Championships at S&W most every year, and go to many other state and local matches and I have not seen anyone have a problem with this powder. Many of my close shooting buddy’s use it and I don’t know of any of them having problems either.
I do check multiple manuals and do my homework as I build a load to do a particular job. I surly don’t want to have a detonation but I’m confident I have been doing safe loads for over 30 years. With respect do you have any info to the contrary or is it all opinion.
I haven't tried titegroup before but i do like making light loads with 325gr hard cast bullets and unique is what i use to do it. My .44 ruger shoots most loads well but has never shot another bullet quite as well as the 325s not to mention if your normal hunting load consist of heavy bullets and thats what its sighted for a 240gr swc at 800fps isn't going to hit any where near your point of aim. I dont think there's a problem with what you want to accomplish, after all reloading is all about making the load you want or need, unique may just prove to be your better powder choice.
Nemo288
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The Alliant manual lists 19 grains of 2400 as max charge for a 300 gr bullet.
Hornady lists 17 grains as max for their 300 gr XTP.
7.5 gr of Unique gives you roughly 1000 fps with a 240 cast bullet.
I would start with 6.5 gr of Unique and work up if you need to.
2400 is overkill for a plinking/target round in lead.
6.5 gr fills about 3/4 of the case in a 240. With a 300 you may
see near 100% capacity.
The usual disclaimers apply.
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Nemo
Hornady lists 17 grains as max for their 300 gr XTP.
7.5 gr of Unique gives you roughly 1000 fps with a 240 cast bullet.
I would start with 6.5 gr of Unique and work up if you need to.
2400 is overkill for a plinking/target round in lead.
6.5 gr fills about 3/4 of the case in a 240. With a 300 you may
see near 100% capacity.
The usual disclaimers apply.
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Nemo
Since the OP mentioned that he was looking for a plinking load for that 300gr. bullet, Titegroup may work very well. If the poster was looking for a max velocity load, I would agree with the folks that recommend the slower burning pistol powders. All of this said, I am in the camp of Roundgunner when it comes to Titegroup. This is a fantastic powder for lower velocity target loads. I've found that this powder delivers superb accuracy in those older low pressure cartridges such as 38 Special, 44 Special, 45ACP, and 45 Colt............especially the 45 Colt. As to the naysayers that whine about a small amount of fast powder in such a large case with the inevitable Kaboom from a double charged case........I say............Don't use it if you are not a competent and careful handloader. I load those 45 Colt rounds on a single-stage press. Bullets are seated ONLY after the charged cases sitting in the loading block are visually inspected. My Redding measure drops this powder with "dead nuts" accuracy. Titegroup is one of the best metering powders that I have had the pleasure to work with.
I keep hearing these statements that Titegroup burns "hot" and causes leading. Anyone have a link that cites scientific evidence about this "hotter burning" claim? I don't consider statements like......"my gun feels warmer after shooting Titegroup loads"........to be all that scientific. As to leading..........I use Titegroup for my 148gr. HBWC bullseye loads in my K-38. I have had no leading issues with Titegroup loads, and a swaged hollow-based lead wadcutter is about as soft a lead bullet as you will find.. Titegroup has replaced VV-N310(another superb powder for bullseye loads) in my K-38 loads, as it delivers a very small gain in accuracy at 50 yds over the VV-N310 loads. Kudo's to Hodgdon for coming up with this "improved" powder formulation in the fast burning genre. They certainly gave this powder an appropriate name..........This stuff delivers!
I keep hearing these statements that Titegroup burns "hot" and causes leading. Anyone have a link that cites scientific evidence about this "hotter burning" claim? I don't consider statements like......"my gun feels warmer after shooting Titegroup loads"........to be all that scientific. As to leading..........I use Titegroup for my 148gr. HBWC bullseye loads in my K-38. I have had no leading issues with Titegroup loads, and a swaged hollow-based lead wadcutter is about as soft a lead bullet as you will find.. Titegroup has replaced VV-N310(another superb powder for bullseye loads) in my K-38 loads, as it delivers a very small gain in accuracy at 50 yds over the VV-N310 loads. Kudo's to Hodgdon for coming up with this "improved" powder formulation in the fast burning genre. They certainly gave this powder an appropriate name..........This stuff delivers!
venomballistics
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I dont mean to step on your neck here .. but the load in discussion is a 300 grain baseball sized chuck of lead over titegroup ....
this is getting fairly extreme as combinations go.
what TG does in a 38 HBWC load lives in a totally different universe as does all the other loads cited with only your 45 LC example having a chance of representing the OP's goals.
if we are talking about a 200 grain in a 45 colt, we have a reasonable load but still fall well short of a proper comparison to establish a baseline due to the 300 grain baseball proposed.
Yes, it can probably be done but it dont mean it should be.
A plinking load is defined by its economics foremost, with 300 grains of increasingly precious metal involved, it fails the category. 300 grains from a 44 or 45 is a business class cartridge and shouldn't be tortured into something its not.
that said I'll assume the op has a mold for said bullet and is looking to save some green when he has fun on the range.
then I suggest that the 300G mold is in need of a buddy ... a 200 grain wadcutter mold.
since it will devour most of the case space without presenting an absurd workload, it does extraordinary things over fast burning powders, in fact it works out better with fast powders. Not only is the result superior by comparison its a cast 2 cast one free kind of deal without the narrow margin issues.
The heaviest load I have done with Titegroup is 45 Colt 260gr SWC over 6.1 tg for 790 from my 4" model 25.
<I dont mean to step on your neck here .. but the load in discussion is a 300 grain baseball sized chuck of lead over titegroup ....
this is getting fairly extreme as combinations go.>
Good grief.........don't be such a drama queen. I'm not passing judgement on the practicality of the OP's choice of bullet weight for plinking. His 300gr. bullet may be quite accurate in his gun. Since you don't know how much bullet nose sits out past the cannelure, you don't really know much case is available for the powder charge. A 300gr. bullet clocking under 1000 fps isn't going to be any more of a handful than a typical 240gr. bullet clocking 1300 in the 44Mag.
Roundgunner.............I load 45Colt with 6.2 grains of Titegroup under a 255gr. lswc. This load clocks 825 fps in a 5" 625-5. Your loading seems to produce results similar to mine. Amazingly, I get a velocity spread of 12-15fps with this recipe that prints one-hole groups at 25 yds. This is with a case that can be filled with three times as much of a slower powder............Amazing indeed!
this is getting fairly extreme as combinations go.>
Good grief.........don't be such a drama queen. I'm not passing judgement on the practicality of the OP's choice of bullet weight for plinking. His 300gr. bullet may be quite accurate in his gun. Since you don't know how much bullet nose sits out past the cannelure, you don't really know much case is available for the powder charge. A 300gr. bullet clocking under 1000 fps isn't going to be any more of a handful than a typical 240gr. bullet clocking 1300 in the 44Mag.
Roundgunner.............I load 45Colt with 6.2 grains of Titegroup under a 255gr. lswc. This load clocks 825 fps in a 5" 625-5. Your loading seems to produce results similar to mine. Amazingly, I get a velocity spread of 12-15fps with this recipe that prints one-hole groups at 25 yds. This is with a case that can be filled with three times as much of a slower powder............Amazing indeed!
fredj338
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It's nothing personal, I just do NOT like that powder & it's a terrible first choice for a newb reloader. You need to be able to visually verify your powder charge, really diff w/ TG in big cases. Then it spikes @ the top end, especially w/ heavy bullets. So spikey pressure powder running hard & you get a bullet setback? Yeah, that is a KB, happens quite a bit, especially in the USPSA & IDPA crowd as foolish reloaders try pushing the 40 to major w/ 180gr bullets. Yeah, I am a TG hater, always will be. Again, nothing personal, you have your opinion basedon you exp, I have mine. TG has it's place for bunnyfart loads, but pushing heavy for caliber bullets to any serious vel, not a good idea.
Proof, no, I only know what I see. Ask a guy that blows up his next gun @ a match & see what he was loading. A really good chance it's TG. SO as I always ask, why load it? There are 5-6 other powders that give sim or better results, upto 1.5x more volumn per charge weight, lower heat, less smoke w/ lead bullets, etc. It is cheap to use, but then again powder is the cheapest part of a pistol reload, not where I look to shave 1/3 of a penny/rd. I will continue to rail against it, if it bother you, just smile & be content in your choice, it just is not mine.
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Skip Sackett
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Any of you Tite "groupies" have a chronograph?
They tout that Titegroup is position insensitive but I wonder just how true that is. Wanna do a test for us here on the forum?
Now, I am not a TG hater, I don't use it anymore, just me. There are a lot of powders I don't use anymore, Green Dot is one, Blue Dot is another, you get the drift.
I just want to know if it really is position insensitive, in real world tests.
So, you revolver dudes that use it, do this for us: Load your normal load and before shooting each shot of cylinder full, point the gun to the muzzle. Remember to do it after each shot, recoil will move the powder around. Make a note of your chronograph readings.
Then, do just the opposite, hold the firearm at port, muzzle lifted perpendicular to the ground before each shot, and run them over the chrono. Make a note of your readings for doing this.
Just curious, be 100% honest, not that you wouldn't be. We just need real world stats, not manufacturer sales jargon.
Preferably, a large case with a bunny phhht load would be best for this test. @ 9mm with a 147gr RN with a full charge isn't going to tell us much. A 44Mag, 200gr LRNFP with the minimum charge will though.
Thanks in advance!
They tout that Titegroup is position insensitive but I wonder just how true that is. Wanna do a test for us here on the forum?
Now, I am not a TG hater, I don't use it anymore, just me. There are a lot of powders I don't use anymore, Green Dot is one, Blue Dot is another, you get the drift.
I just want to know if it really is position insensitive, in real world tests.
So, you revolver dudes that use it, do this for us: Load your normal load and before shooting each shot of cylinder full, point the gun to the muzzle. Remember to do it after each shot, recoil will move the powder around. Make a note of your chronograph readings.
Then, do just the opposite, hold the firearm at port, muzzle lifted perpendicular to the ground before each shot, and run them over the chrono. Make a note of your readings for doing this.
Just curious, be 100% honest, not that you wouldn't be. We just need real world stats, not manufacturer sales jargon.
Preferably, a large case with a bunny phhht load would be best for this test. @ 9mm with a 147gr RN with a full charge isn't going to tell us much. A 44Mag, 200gr LRNFP with the minimum charge will though.
Thanks in advance!
H Richard
US Veteran
O.K. Skip. I have done some testing but with 44 Special and cast bullets. Titegroup did O.K. with the 200 gr RNFP. Done with my 24-3 3" barrel.
200 gr RNFP, 5.3 gr Titegroup, OAL 1.455", Fed 150, MV 813, ES 43.07, SD 13.26. 2 1/2" groups at 25 yards.
200 gr. RNFP, 7.5 gr. Unique, Fed 150, OAL 1.454", MV 762, ES 74, SD 18.50, 3.0" groups at 25 yds.
240 gr SWC, 5.0 gr Titegroup, Fed 150, OAL 1.485", MV 720, ES 50.62, SD 13.92, 3.0" Group at 25 yds.
All groups shot off sandbag rest, with my old eye's. They may be better with younger eye's behind the sights. I agree, I don't think a 300 gr bullet belongs in front of Titegroup.
200 gr RNFP, 5.3 gr Titegroup, OAL 1.455", Fed 150, MV 813, ES 43.07, SD 13.26. 2 1/2" groups at 25 yards.
200 gr. RNFP, 7.5 gr. Unique, Fed 150, OAL 1.454", MV 762, ES 74, SD 18.50, 3.0" groups at 25 yds.
240 gr SWC, 5.0 gr Titegroup, Fed 150, OAL 1.485", MV 720, ES 50.62, SD 13.92, 3.0" Group at 25 yds.
All groups shot off sandbag rest, with my old eye's. They may be better with younger eye's behind the sights. I agree, I don't think a 300 gr bullet belongs in front of Titegroup.
<TG has it's place for bunnyfart loads, but pushing heavy for caliber bullets to any serious vel, not a good idea.>
Can you not read what the OP was asking about? He wanted a plinking load recipe for a heavy for caliber bullet. Not once was a maximum velocity load for a 300gr. bullet mentioned. You then go rambling on about pressure spikes and Kabooms caused by using Titegroup to make major in 40 s&W!!!???...............Titegroup was not formulated to give maximum velocity in high pressure cartridges loaded with heavy for caliber bullets. Titegroup delivers maximum accuracy at reduced pressures for a bunch of pistol calibers.
Skip...............I've never had any powder that has produced lower chrongraphed velocity spreads in the 45Colt than that 6.2 gr. load for a 255gr. lead boolit. I can get a bit more velocity with Unique or similar slower burning powders for that bullet, but not as good accuracy. I learned a long time ago that accuracy in a firearm trumps velocity every time! Some of you folks that rail against Titegroup remind me of what Christopher Columbus was up against.........Since the earth is flat, you will sail off the edge of the world if you sail too far west into the Atlantic Ocean..............Get a grip............Make an attempt to embrace modern smokeless powder technology!
Can you not read what the OP was asking about? He wanted a plinking load recipe for a heavy for caliber bullet. Not once was a maximum velocity load for a 300gr. bullet mentioned. You then go rambling on about pressure spikes and Kabooms caused by using Titegroup to make major in 40 s&W!!!???...............Titegroup was not formulated to give maximum velocity in high pressure cartridges loaded with heavy for caliber bullets. Titegroup delivers maximum accuracy at reduced pressures for a bunch of pistol calibers.
Skip...............I've never had any powder that has produced lower chrongraphed velocity spreads in the 45Colt than that 6.2 gr. load for a 255gr. lead boolit. I can get a bit more velocity with Unique or similar slower burning powders for that bullet, but not as good accuracy. I learned a long time ago that accuracy in a firearm trumps velocity every time! Some of you folks that rail against Titegroup remind me of what Christopher Columbus was up against.........Since the earth is flat, you will sail off the edge of the world if you sail too far west into the Atlantic Ocean..............Get a grip............Make an attempt to embrace modern smokeless powder technology!
Skip Sackett
US Veteran
Chill!
Thanks Rich for the info. I am really curious as to how it does with the muzzle tests described above.
Dan, take a chill before you blow a gasket, bro. I just choose not to use it, nothing personal. I do embrace new powder technology, when it really performs better than the old technology. Case in point: Lil' Gun in a large bore carbine, 44Mag, 45 Colt.
It isn't odd that some folks like one thing and others like another. If it wasn't like that, everyone would still be eating vanilla ice cream!
Thanks Rich for the info. I am really curious as to how it does with the muzzle tests described above.
Dan, take a chill before you blow a gasket, bro. I just choose not to use it, nothing personal. I do embrace new powder technology, when it really performs better than the old technology. Case in point: Lil' Gun in a large bore carbine, 44Mag, 45 Colt.
It isn't odd that some folks like one thing and others like another. If it wasn't like that, everyone would still be eating vanilla ice cream!
I’m not sure why but I think the IDPA crowd you are hanging around with are doing it wrong.
You seem to like to talk about 40 S&W so we will use that as an example.
40S&W would be used in guns competing in SSP (stock service pistol) or ESP (enhanced service pistol) both of which need to be above the 125,000 power floor.
That means in my case a 175gr TC cast bullet needs to go over 715 fps. That aint much folks. It also needs to have enough recoil to cycle the guns action.
I look up in a couple reloading manuals and come up with a max load of 4.7 TiteGroup.
I start low and work up. See my chart…
So when I get to 3.2 for 755 bingo.... IDPA load way under manufacturers limits. Can’t see why a newb would blow a gun using this.
I on the other hand want a load that is similar to the 995fps I get from my Speer GDHP so I keep climbing the scale towards what the manufacturer said was a safe limit. Presto at 4.5 I get 965 fps a load that feels like GDHP but cost me only about 5 cents to shoot. I’m still .2 grains away from max safe and happy to be able to shoot a lot of ammo and be prepared for zombies.
If the people in your club are doing it like this everything should be OK. The last gun I saw blow up was with Winchester white box. (9mm)
fredj338
Member
Yes tdan, I read it. My point, there is little room for error & pressure spikes are the same issue loading 300gr bullets w/TG in the 44mag as they woudl 180gr @ the top end int he 40. TG was meant for very light loads using "normal" bullet wts for a given caliber.
fredj338
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I’m not sure why but I think the IDPA crowd you are hanging around with are doing it wrong.
You seem to like to talk about 40 S&W so we will use that as an example.
40S&W would be used in guns competing in SSP (stock service pistol) or ESP (enhanced service pistol) both of which need to be above the 125,000 power floor.
That means in my case a 175gr TC cast bullet needs to go over 715 fps. That aint much folks. It also needs to have enough recoil to cycle the guns action.
I look up in a couple reloading manuals and come up with a max load of 4.7 TiteGroup.
I start low and work up. See my chart…
So when I get to 3.2 for 755 bingo.... IDPA load way under manufacturers limits. Can’t see why a newb would blow a gun using this.
I on the other hand want a load that is similar to the 995fps I get from my Speer GDHP so I keep climbing the scale towards what the manufacturer said was a safe limit. Presto at 4.5 I get 965 fps a load that feels like GDHP but cost me only about 5 cents to shoot. I’m still .2 grains away from max safe and happy to be able to shoot a lot of ammo and be prepared for zombies.
If the people in your club are doing it like this everything should be OK. The last gun I saw blow up was with Winchester white box. (9mm)
Yes, in IDPA, 40 is shot minor. In USPSA, it can be shot major & that is where some get into trouble. Also not sure what "manual" you got your loading data from, as a 175gr bullet is not a std wt for the 40. Speer does show 4.7gr as max w/ a 180gr. Depending on the gun, it makes about 920fps. That is pushing really hard when one can easily get 920fps w/ a dozen other powders & have a huge safety margin pressure wise.
THe same is true for "plinking" loads w/ a 300gr bullet in the 44mag. Sure, you can cobble a 900fps/300gr load together using TG, it will be running rather hard there, but can be done. Why? There are again, maybe a dozen powder thast will run the same 900fps w/ a huge safety margin. Match the powder to the task, they all have their place. IMO, IME, TG is a great bunnyfart powder w/ light to std wt bullets going relatively low vel. If you want morem don't push uberfast powders to get there, change to a slower powder. Again powder IS THE CHEAPEST part of a handgun load. Saving 1/3 of a penny, even a full penny, just not as important as safty & performance.
BTW, I agree, safe reloading techniques will limit most mishaps, BUT, one has to be smoking something to tell me it's not easier to determin powder charges, particularly in large case, if one can see the powder charge more easily. That is where all newbs should be thinking, safty first, & anything that accomplishese that is better, regardless of saving as much as 1/3c per round.
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Does anybody remember my original question? Only one person actually gave me a load to try. With the answers I got the question should have been,,,,,,,,,,Who is for TG with heavy cast bullets and who is against? Good luck with your discussion.
Skip Sackett
US Veteran
Flawed question
The answer is in there, you just don't like it! Wrong powder for caliber/bullet combination. If it wasn't so, you would be able to find data from reliable sources such as the powder manufacturer or a good manual and not rely on a gun forum to give you a load!
Listen, call Hodgdon and ask them. In this world of electronic technology surely you have a phone!
The answer is in there, you just don't like it! Wrong powder for caliber/bullet combination. If it wasn't so, you would be able to find data from reliable sources such as the powder manufacturer or a good manual and not rely on a gun forum to give you a load!
Listen, call Hodgdon and ask them. In this world of electronic technology surely you have a phone!
venomballistics
Member
thats only because one of the components involved it a hotly debated one.
from what ive seen, people have pushed TG a bit, but not up to the 300G mark ..
I suspect that it will be splendid behind a 200G wadcutter which you might determine to be the 8th wonder of the plinking load world. Light and easy shooting, at a higher velocity than your 300 which will make it more useful off the range while saving money.
in the 800 - 900 FPS range its a phenomenal bunny buster and good general problem solver.
On the range, where WC's are most at home, targets are punched so cleanly there is little to debate at the rings .... if your keeping count
fredj338
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No serious reloader seeks data on any reloading forum IMO. Unless you KNOW what you are doing, how do you know the data you are getting is valid? If it isn't in a published form, how do you know it has been vetted & is safe? There is probably a good reason TG data doesn't show up for a 300gr 44mag loads in any book I have but Lee, which I can't take seriously. If you want to try & extrapolate form that, it's there, but for a jacketed bullet only. Hey, I can get any powder to go bang in any cartridge, but there are better choices for certain tasks.
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