Titegroup

[Skeet 028]

Oh I understand the costs associated with factory ammo. Shooting 500 or more factory small gauge shells in skeet is very expensive(I don't shoot 12 ga at all using the 20 in 12 ga and doubles). Shot as many as 10,000 registered targets a year. Still, to do away with all those power factors and all to create a real level playing field would be the most equal way to go. It is after all a game to simulate shooting skills in self protection, isn't it? Please correct me if I have the wrong idea. I've never shot handgun games seriously. I did build a 586 Race gun once. I always came in last in a day at the races

.But to get back to the real question...why does TG burn so hot? Are there any others that are close to it? BTW I've never used BE at all either.

 

[series guy]

Titegroup is 15th on the burn rate scale and Bullseye is 13th. Just google gunpowder burn rate scale.

 

[rockquarry]

I can only rely on personal observation, but I haven't seen the "extreme heat" aspect of Titegroup and there have been no burns to flesh or damage to superheated gun parts.

I've done no extensive testing with Titegroup and don't know if there is anything to the claims. If the critics know what they're talking about rather than just repeating some baseless Internet allegations, then I have no argument.

My work using Titegroup was with the 9mm Luger, .38 Special, .44 Special, and .45 ACP, maybe one or two others, all with cast bullets. As I recall, Titegroup provided good accuracy in all cartridges, but overall, fell slightly behind Bullseye. I no longer use Titegroup for that reason.

 

[fredj338]

Level playing field= factory ammo that everyone has to use. What you are saying in effect is that some shooters want to "legally cheat", if you will. I have watched CAS and while it looks like fun(any shooting looks like fun to me) someone told me that the winner of a tied match could come down to how authentic the shooters may be. LOL! Don't know it that is true or not. Not knocking the games but seems like there would have to be a lot less "rules" with factory ammo without having to check every ones ammo. JMO...YMMV

Considering how all action shooting is scored, to the 100th of a second, not likely to ever have a tie.
Sure factory ammo would be ideal, but reality, most serious competition shooters are well over 10k rds a year in competition & practice. So setting a min PF is reasonable. That PF is just under factory spec ammo in idpa. This allows for some ammo/gun anomalies. Its a good system, but there are some that still try to cheat it to win that little plaque. There are also rules that govern mods to the guns too, & ones carry gear, all to make it about the shooting & not the gear.

 

[fredj338]

Titegroup is 15th on the burn rate scale and Bullseye is 13th. Just google gunpowder burn rate scale.

TG burn rate has nothing to do with the heat generated. That is a product of its composition. I have seen a fiber optic melted on a usps gun from a fast, long string on a near 100deg day. The only other powder I know of that generates that heat is lilgun, waaay on the other side of the burnrate chart.

 

[Skeet 028]

I have seen the warnings about L'il Gun in the past. I started using it in the 410 quite a few years ago because you could get enough in the 410 shotshells and still get a 1/2 ounce of shot(mainly in the old AA case) and since I was shooting tubed O/U I liked the much lower pressures. I use it in the 22 Hornet and sparingly in the 41 Mag for my bear loads with the 250 gr WFNGC. No burned top straps yet but I only shoot them sparingly. I did notice that 410 cases did get burned a bit but they don't last all that long anyway. I also noticed that the 41 cylinder does get pretty hot over the course of 6 rounds. I only push them at about 1200 FPS out of my old 57(4 inch). I did notice the cylinder on my old M-19 got very hot after a couple of cylinders of 38s loaded with TG...so Since I had beaucoup bunches of other older tech powders I never bought anymore TG esp when I started loading 38s on a 650 Dillon

 

[fredj338]

I have seen the warnings about L'il Gun in the past. I started using it in the 410 quite a few years ago because you could get enough in the 410 shotshells and still get a 1/2 ounce of shot(mainly in the old AA case) and since I was shooting tubed O/U I liked the much lower pressures. I use it in the 22 Hornet and sparingly in the 41 Mag for my bear loads with the 250 gr WFNGC. No burned top straps yet but I only shoot them sparingly. I did notice that 410 cases did get burned a bit but they don't last all that long anyway. I also noticed that the 41 cylinder does get pretty hot over the course of 6 rounds. I only push them at about 1200 FPS out of my old 57(4 inch). I did notice the cylinder on my old M-19 got very hot after a couple of cylinders of 38s loaded with TG...so Since I had beaucoup bunches of other older tech powders I never bought anymore TG esp when I started loading 38s on a 650 Dillon

Velocity actually doesnt really affect the amount of heat that TG & LG produce. I have run fast 30+ rd strings, 2 mag changes, like all shots under 24sec, the slide is too hot to hold onto with bare hands. This doesnt happen with any of about a dozen diff powders I have run in 9mm.

 

[max503]

Titegroup is 15th on the burn rate scale and Bullseye is 13th. Just google gunpowder burn rate scale.

Wow. Red Dot and 700x are faster than Bullseye! Who'd a thunk it?

Personally, I use Unique in just about everything - unless it doesn't shoot well and that rarely happens.
I kinda like a little smoke from my guns.