TO MOUNT OR NOT MOUNT A LIGHT ON A SD-HD GUN

No lights on my carry guns, but my home defense pistol and shotgun both have TLR-1s on them.

I took a low light shooting class a few years ago. We were taught Flash/ Move. A quick flash of the light and immediately move. If the BG sees your light, don't be there by the time he raises his gun.

Two things the instructor stressed throughout the class.
1. White light attracts incoming fire.
2. Incoming fire has the right of way. :eek:
 
I cannot think of any advantages that a gun mounted light provides versus a hand held and vise versa. Frankly I don't care for them. And I have seen them fall off of guns at the range when they were properly mounted.

Gun mounted lights require the user to constantly manipulate the light with one finger or the other. I don't like to move or alter my grip and prefer to keep all my fingers on the gun.

Gun mounted lights may have their place but only with the proper training and lots of practice. IMO its much easier to use a handheld light.
Lots of Chinese junk floating around.

Generally speaking having something in both hands that require the use buttons/levers/triggers while under stress is a bad idea (unless practiced A LOT). You may mean to pull the trigger but hit the light switch accidentally or you may mean to turn on the light but pull the trigger accidentally.

Everything else depends on how and where you live. If you have family it's one thing. I live alone so if there is noise it's not from a invited guest and I don't need to worry if it's my child/spouce/family member.

There is no particularly fool proof way. Each has its plusses and minuses. The way my light functions I either have my trigger finger on the switch of the light (no different than resting the trigger finger on the side until ready to shoot) or its on the trigger ready to shoot. There is no grip break.

In the end this is a serious situation and I cannot not point a gun and at the same time be ready to stop a threat. Can't walk around with the gun at the side or up in the air.

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Squarebutt;139042347there's always the chance of pushing the bang switch instead of the light switch in a stressful situation when you're half awake.[/QUOTE said:
That's actually even worse when 2 hands are involved.

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Not on mine, either. Not only don't want to point a loaded gun to light up an unknown person, there's always the chance of pushing the bang switch instead of the light switch in a stressful situation when you're half awake.

^^^ Precisely ^^^ A gun mounted light means I have to sweep friendlies as well as bad guys. Not gonna roll those dice. A 4 cell Mag Lite in my off hand not only safely illuminates, it can act as a secondary weapon in a pinch.
 
I think some people here are not quite clear of the purpose of a weapon mounted light. The WML is for seeing what you are shooting at - nothing more.

A WML does not negate the need for a handheld light - they serve different purposes.

Contrary to what you may see on TV and in the movies, you do NOT use a WML for investigating that bump in the night or for searching - that is what your hand-held light is for.

The WML is for illuminating something that may need to be shot. The WML compliments the handheld, it does not replace it.
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Two purposes, two lights. Period. I'll admit I do not have a weapon light on any handguns because I have not trained with one. If for some odd reason I went back in a uniform, there would be no question: WML is not an option; it's critical. But, I would spend the necessary time and money to train correctly with it; without good training, a WML is clownshoes. At least one other handheld light is also not optional. And CHEAP is not acceptable - period.

Both of my likely long guns have WML - my AR has a 1000 lumen P3X single output w/click switch; my M590 has a Surefire fore end light (200/600 lumens).
 
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There's a lot of old-school thinking going on in this thread. I know, because I'm an old guy, too. If I have a railed gun on my bed-stand, which I often do, I put the weapon light on it. Why not? After all, I do own four of those lights. I always have a gun next to me at night, but I don't always set a railed one out.

I also have a nice, bright, flashlight next to that gun. Sometimes I'll even have a shotgun with weaponlight attached next to me, too.

OK, now I've got all these guns and lights with me. Do I have to turn those flashlights on just because I have them? (The answer is no.)

If I don't turn the lights on, but do decide to shoot, what am I shooting at: a sound, a dark shadow, movement of some sort? Am I going to hit what I want if shooting; maybe, perhaps not, if I can't see well enough due to darkness.

If my light is on my gun someone will shoot me first? Maybe, maybe not. If we're dealing with some type of super-sniper, perhaps that person shooting at me will hit the light or me, especially if I'm also lighting myself up with that light. Holding the light away from me is old school and even if a person does shoot at the light, I'll still be likely to get shot as the other guy probably isn't that accurate of a shooter anyway and will hit me regardless of the way I'm holding that light.

A weapon mounted light allows a person to use one's familiar, practiced, accurate 2-hand hold. If you shoot just as well with one hand (I know I don't) then hold that handheld flashlight anywhere you want with that other hand.

We're just talking handguns here, I think, but it gets even harder if holding a flashlight and working a pump shotgun. I don't like it. I prefer mounted weaponlights on shotguns, which leads me back to also having one on a handgun (along with a handheld light).

What's this about pointing guns at loved ones? What are we doing pointing our guns at anybody in that scenario? Are we afraid for our lives or great bodily injury only to find it's our child coming home unannounced? Why did we use a weapon mounted light instead of just a flashlight? Too many lights? Why didn't we just take the weaponlight off and go old-school with a gun and separate flashlight.

OK. We've just pointed our gun at someone we've now identified and wouldn't want to shoot. Well it's a good thing we were able to see them well enough to know that because we at least had some type of light isn't it? We don't keep pointing the gun at that person, dog, or animal at that point do we? No, of course not. Go to depressed muzzle, holster it, or otherwise stop pointing that loaded gun at something you no longer want to destroy. By the way, this happens in police work all the time. Things change fast and what was a possibility of lethal force can quickly change to no longer being lethal or any force needed.

If you're not comfortable with a weaponlight, then by all means, don't get one. If you are, then practice &/or go over the various scenarios even if you monthly take your unloaded gun and walk around your house dry-firing at shadows (but shadows made from your light/weaponlight.)

There are various home defense methods. I understand that. One method is to preselect a place with cover & concealment and wait it out, ready to kill anything which invades or discovers that place. Oops, that doesn't always work in all locales. Even if you're afraid, that may not be good enough if who you shoot, let's say it's a bonafide burglar, is unarmed.

There are a lot of what-ifs to be imagined here. I say get a light or two to have. The old saying was to have it but not need it, rather than needing it but not having it, or something like that.
 
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Bought a Viridian C5 for my SD night stand pistol and then after getting it and weighing the pro and cons I only use the laser on it for trigger control practice .. and not for SD ..

I have a Nitecore MH12 a 1000 lumen Flashlite set on strobe .. I didn't like the idea I would have to sweep my pistol on something to aluminate someone/thing if it was pistol mounted .. with the Nitcore Flashlite I can hold it in my off hand with out pointing the weapon at an object if I would like .. also can hold it out to my side away from my body mass .. the 1000 lumen strobe will blind someone giving them the old flash bulb dots in their vision ..
 
I LOVE weapon mounted lights! My duty handgun, shotgun & rifle have lights on them & so do my home defense guns.

When I came on the job the only handgun weapon lights were the huge Surefires you bolted to the frame of your gun. Once we were authorized to carry gun lights I switched & will never go back. I work days now & I still use my gun light all the time. You would be surprised how dark a house can get, even during the day.

I have a lot of trigger time shooting with & without a weapon mounted light & I will take a weapon mounted light every time.
 
The WML is for illuminating something that may need to be shot. The WML compliments the handheld, it does not replace it.
This is an interesting concept, but negates the need for the WML. I mean, if you're gonna have both hands full with a gun and a light, why do you need the one on the gun at all?

Thankfully I have electric lights in my house, and don't need to root around with a light on my gun in the dark looking for a threat.
It took a while to get here, but finally Moe Mentum comes in with some common sense. Why not just use the lighting Edison worked so hard to invent?

Also, in this modern era, there are remote light switches. Here's one for $22 on Amazon: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZPQREYY?psc=1"]Useful UH-RP159 Remote Controlled Electrical Plug & Outlet / Wireless Electrical Switch Socket - - Amazon.com@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41IignLSOYL.@@AMEPARAM@@41IignLSOYL[/ame]

Here's one for your smart phone: http://www.smarthome.com/android_apps.html

That's with only a 10 second search. I'm sure if you looked harder there's tons more out there that can be tailored to your situation.

On this thread I keep reading, "Get a light and practice with it." That's good advice, but falling on deaf ears. The truth is, very few even practice with their gun. Adding a light to the scenario is just not going to happen. I would love it if people would practice with their gun and light, but they don't. This is why the remote light switch makes so much sense. Why add another device to the already charged self-defense situation? Just use what's already in your home.
 
If you're going to mount a light on a carry pistol, you also need a holster that accepts the pistol with the light on it. No, I'm not being dense. There's a lot of folks who carry a light and a pistol and think they're going to have time to mount the light. Maybe so, maybe no. HOWEVER, you need to be able to stow the pistol with one hand-for several possible reasons. That means you have to have a proper holster. Too bulky for me.

Mounted lights on a home defense piece make a lot of sense. Many of the objections (give your position away, mark you as a target etc) simply exist in the home regardless of whether or not the light is attached to the firearm or in your hand. Yes, you can illuminate areas/people without muzzling them. Yes, a handheld light in addition can be a good idea.

Finally, Rastoff makes a good point about using modern conveniences. But, the power does go out once in awhile, so don't be dependent.
 
I suspect my opinion has been pretty well covered by now, but I am for choices and options in a home defense situation so I have a light mounted on my Sig P227. I also have a hand-held flashlight close at hand that I can use if I feel it is more appropriate. I don't feel the light mounted on the Sig detracts from my ability to point and shoot it, and it is nice, as mentioned earlier, to have the option of freeing up my other hand if needed. I also have lights mounted on my AR and my shotgun so no matter which weapon I chose I'd be able to see.

BTW I do NOT have a light mounted on my carry guns, but I regularly carry a flashlight separately.
 
Gen3 19
Factory MH3 night sights
Surefire XC1

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I tried it and didn't like it. To me the cons outweigh the benefits. I just don't see a need for it.

First of all, I'm not going looking for trouble. You come through my bedroom door and I'm going to see you. Personally, I don't want to give away my position.

I guess if I was LE or special forces, maybe... otherwise I say no need.
 
Thinking I'm going to get a TLR-1 for my SD9VE,personally if I'm clearing the house I don't care if I point the pistol at someone since they shouldn't be there anyway so if you have a weapon stuck in your face get used to it if you go in uninvited.

I was on the line for a good while about this but I sat and thought about it when I got this new S&W and realized that if you use your head and cover the light is just another advantage for you so I'm getting one.

I'll still have a pocket light for those non gun uses and I figger the biggest thing yet unanswered is carrying it,but I'll do that too..just gotta get a new holster for it...bloody expenses.
 
I have a few strategically located LED automatic night lights placed around the house. They provide enough lighting to see any intruder and also work well to find my way around the house at night without turning on the main lights.

I have night sights on my Glock 19 that does bed side duty that will provide sighted shots if needed. With a shotgun I've considered putting a tritium bead on my Mossberg but really don't think I need it.
 
Yes, you can illuminate areas/people without muzzling them.

Finally, Rastoff makes a good point about using modern conveniences. But, the power does go out once in awhile, so don't be dependent.

Of course you can. That said, I'm not much concerned about muzzling someone as I am identifying friend or foe inside the dwelling.

For example - If I'm awoken at night by what I believe to be an intruder at home or elsewhere (maybe just a mistake by the cabin, hotel or vacation condo rental office), I can immediately reach over with one hand and grab the gun on the nightstand and in the same motion switch on the weapon light before th gun is barely lifted from the table. The moment that light is on, no matter where the muzzle is pointed, anywhere I'm looking there's now enough light.

A. Fooling around with a remote light switch and/or trying to get control of both a handheld light and gun.
B. In one motion got gun in hand, light on and identify the potential threat.

I'll take B in many cases. In different situations I might also want a handheld light.

Now I've got some very nice handheld lights, but the idea that they necessarily replace a weapon light isn't something I subscribe to.
 
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I am not sure what is meant by "sweeping friendlies,"but a light, regardless of how it is mounted, is necessary for identifying whether a bump in the night is a threat and prevent tragic shots in the dark. Concerns about switch manipulation are alieviated with good training. I believe the benefits outweigh any of the potential concerns. A handheld light should accompany and back up a WML. A compatible holster is a necessary requirement when carrying a pistol and using a WML. There is a legitimate concern, that under stress, bad things could happen when trying to attach/detach a device from the muzzle area of a loaded weapon. Undesirable sympathetic reflexes can result from trying to multi task and having ones' finger on the trigger.

I don't currently EDC a WML unless I'm in tac gear, mainly because I haven't found a holster that really conceals the combo as effectively as I'd like. I have a Surefire X300, a couple of TRL1s, and a TRL3, but the Surefire XC1 is a unit I am going to take a harder look at. The TRL6 also has some possibilities for concealed carry.
 
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The only reason this is my EDC is because of the holster. It is curved to match the contour of my hip and it easily snaps on and off my belt. I've never seen this style of belt clip on any other holster but I guess other makers probably use them.

I honestly find it as easy to carry with the light as without it. The pressure switch eliminates manipulating the light switch or changing my normal two hand grip. The green laser replaces the need to mess with the sights which my old eyes really appreciate.

Just sharing what works for me and am not trying to convince anyone what works for them.
 

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