Trends You Simply Can't Stand...Feel Free To Vent Here

[375hh1973]

My peeve is with people's insistence on using expensive, boutique, 20 per box, hollow points as carry ammo.

They are the manufacturers' money makers. Their 20-rd boxes of self defense ammo cost more than their 50-rd boxes of target cowboy plinking ammo. Why? Because they are really good salesmen. And a lot of the 'experts' are sponsored by them.

People, the makers are playing you. They will keep making better and better, more expensive HPs that will magically expand and stop just short of exiting the bad guy. They suck you into their game to sell you the Goldilocks choice of the ones that are 'just right'. New and improved. Sexy. Best. 'Ours dump all the energy into the target.' 'Ours will expand more reliably' But not always.

They also sell velocity, and lie about it right on the box, because HPs depend on velocity. Velocity comes with recoil. That's also unnecessary.

You're simply drilling a hole in somebody. Deep holes work. No expansion is necessary. Exit wounds are ok. But you have been taught to fear it in order to sell hollow points that won't exit.

The 50-rd boxes of LRN, FMJ, WCs, SWCs, RNFPs, target / plinking ammo are all killers.

Believe it or not the bad guys don't just shrug off the wounds from them. Neither would you. Are you more confident, does it give you more courage, knowing that the bad guys are all using 115 FMJ 9mms? Are the BGs somehow tough and immune to non HP ammo? You're not. Don't attribute the BGs with more resistance to being shot than you.

"Using non-HP ammo will get you killed!" Really?

The hole bleeds along its entire depth. Why even take a chance that the high velocity, heavy recoiling, expanding bullet will stop short of damaging EVERYTHING. There are more veins, arteries, organs, bleedable tissue in front of where that bullet stopped.

End of rant.

So why does my buying an expensive 20rd box of ammo bother you?

Just got some more Federal HST 10mm for my Kimber 1911. Damn near $2 a trigger pull. I got no issue buying it and shooting it off every once in awhile.

Not asking you to buy it as you are obviously happy buying other types of ammo that are cheaper per round..

 

[djohns6]

I think some of ya'll are so desperate to post something that you're making up things to be annoyed about .

 

[65-2x2]

My favorite is the guy who INSISTED that the grains mentioned on the side of the ammo box was for how many grains of powder was inside the casing.

After explaining to him it was a measurement of the weight of the bullet, not powder charge, he just wouldn’t listen and more or less called me a fool in a very smug manner.

He was absolutely certain the 180 grain box of .30-06 would be much higher velocity than the 150 grain box right next to.

Well heck, he is right. It is the number of grains (as in small particles) of gunpowder!

 

[65-2x2]

What really gets me is to buy the smallest possible handgun for deep concealment, then put a big fat optic on it.

 

[ralph7]

My peeve is with people's insistence on using expensive, boutique, 20 per box, hollow points as carry ammo.

They are the manufacturers' money makers. Their 20-rd boxes of self defense ammo cost more than their 50-rd boxes of target cowboy plinking ammo. Why? Because they are really good salesmen. And a lot of the 'experts' are sponsored by them.

People, the makers are playing you. They will keep making better and better, more expensive HPs that will magically expand and stop just short of exiting the bad guy. They suck you into their game to sell you the Goldilocks choice of the ones that are 'just right'. New and improved. Sexy. Best. 'Ours dump all the energy into the target.' 'Ours will expand more reliably' But not always.

They also sell velocity, and lie about it right on the box, because HPs depend on velocity. Velocity comes with recoil. That's also unnecessary.

You're simply drilling a hole in somebody. Deep holes work. No expansion is necessary. Exit wounds are ok. But you have been taught to fear it in order to sell hollow points that won't exit.

The 50-rd boxes of LRN, FMJ, WCs, SWCs, RNFPs, target / plinking ammo are all killers.

Believe it or not the bad guys don't just shrug off the wounds from them. Neither would you. Are you more confident, does it give you more courage, knowing that the bad guys are all using 115 FMJ 9mms? Are the BGs somehow tough and immune to non HP ammo? You're not. Don't attribute the BGs with more resistance to being shot than you.

"Using non-HP ammo will get you killed!" Really?

The hole bleeds along its entire depth. Why even take a chance that the high velocity, heavy recoiling, expanding bullet will stop short of damaging EVERYTHING. There are more veins, arteries, organs, bleedable tissue in front of where that bullet stopped.

End of rant.

I guess the fact that all police departments use hollow point ammo because of it's lethality and lower chance of over penetration in a populated area somehow escaped you.

 

[Telecaster]

Myth. Far more police boolits totally miss the BG than overpenetrate. It’s focusing on the wrong problem. And probably lawyers.

 

[Max242]

Someone seems to have a problem?

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Chuck and The Duke can pull that loop off. JMHO

 

[seabright60]

1. People that think a 357 frame isn't a good carry gun because THEY are recoil sensitive.2. People that don't know the difference between a fun range gun ,a home defense gun and an every day carry gun. 3. Capacity addicts who trash talk revolvers and shot guns when the reality is 90 percent of home defense success stories are one of the two.

 

[seabright60]

1. People that think a 357 frame isn't a good carry gun because THEY are recoil sensitive.2. People that don't know the difference between a fun range gun ,a home defense gun and an every day carry gun. 3. Capacity addicts who trash talk revolvers and shot guns when the reality is 90 percent of home defense success stories are one of the two.

Forgot the j in j frame

 

[koathmann]

My gripe is modern terminology pistol vs revolver untill recently revolvers where pistols. Clip vs magazine When everyone knows good and dang well what is being talked about. oh and shooting shooting over a feeder is not hunting hunting

 

[Echo40]

9x19 Parabellum is the bestest thing ever and therefore all other cartridges are "a solution in search of a problem" so don't bother trying to innovate or offer anything new/interesting, just chamber everything under the sun in 9mm.

Honestly, I'm waiting for someone to show of a Lever Action Rifle chambered in 9mm Parabellum because apparently no other cartridge needs to exist anymore. It's so incredibly dull, but the market has become so stagnant that even when ammo companies attempt to introduce a new pistol cartridge, how do they market it? ".30 Super Carry! It's like 9mm, only smaller so you can fit like 2 more in a magazine! Huh? Huh? That's compelling, isn't it?"

It's enough to make me want to buy a 5.7x28 Pistol just to support something other than 9mm. It's like, okay, it's a good defensive round, but variety is the spice of life and the market has gotten remarkably dull. I wish that .357 SIG would get a push, as I think it has untapped marketing potential, and I've seen an increasing number of GunTubers pushing it over the past couple of years, so I think it's due for a revival.

 

[zombie666]

My complaint is that companies no longer install iron sights on most of the rifles they sell. Yes, most folks may want to install an optical sight of some kind. I don't care, I may be an old geezer, but when I buy a rifle, I want it to arrive with at least a rudimentary set of sights. I notice prices don't seem to have dropped any to pass the savings the company is getting on labor and materials for sights on to the customer. I guess next time I buy a car, I'll have to bring my own steering wheel.

 

[Donn]

1) Any reference to a firearm as a toy. 2) The young guys on the You Tube gun channels who act like they've re-invented the wheel when it comes to shooting.

 

[MelvinWalker]

9x19 Parabellum is the bestest thing ever and therefore all other cartridges are "a solution in search of a problem" so don't bother trying to innovate or offer anything new/interesting, just chamber everything under the sun in 9mm.

9mm is the new .38 Special...

$12 or less for a box of 50.

Every third person has one in their home.

Hundreds of millions of rounds available.

Even though 9mm has been around for almost as long as .38 special, modern ballistics have made it the best overall handgun cartridge ever made.

 

[MelvinWalker]

My complaint is that companies no longer install iron sights on most of the rifles they sell. Yes, most folks may want to install an optical sight of some kind. I don't care, I may be an old geezer, but when I buy a rifle, I want it to arrive with at least a rudimentary set of sights. I notice prices don't seem to have dropped any to pass the savings the company is getting on labor and materials for sights on to the customer. I guess next time I buy a car, I'll have to bring my own steering wheel.

Agreed...I have rifles with scopes, but I shot open sights for my entire career as well as long before, and now after with both rifles and handguns... I find it just as satisfying to shoot with open sights as optics. I don't even own a handgun with an installed optic now. The last one I bought had one on it, and it's now in a box somewhere.

 

[glenwolde]

Since I have recently taken up bullet casting again after a multi-decade hiatus I've run into two.

1. "Casted" as in "I casted 1,000 wadcutters". That's not even a word. The past tense of "cast" is "cast".

2. "Smelted" as in "I smelted 300 pounds of scrap into ingots." Smelting is the process of removing a metal from the ore that was mined. I guess it sounds cooler than "processing".

I don't say anything. I just cringe.

 

[glenwolde]

"casings" - if you know, you know. If you don't, you won't.

I guess I don't, and won't....if somebody doesn't explain why.

 

[Yendor357]

My second biggest complaint is when people use y'all. Y’all isn’t a word. Stop it.

* This thread was meant to be somewhat whimsical. Don’t take it seriously.

 

[Telecaster]

9mm is the new .38 Special...

$12 or less for a box of 50.

Every third person has one in their home.

Hundreds of millions of rounds available.

Even though 9mm has been around for almost as long as .38 special, modern ballistics have made it the best overall handgun cartridge ever made.

I think of it as, “9mm is the handgun round with the fewest compromises.” Size, weight, cost, effectiveness, etc.

 

[Valmet]

This has probably been covered, but a major peeve for me, is all these gomers that are compelled to lather up their Glock with every stupid friggin' option they could find on the interwebs, insisting they're never selling it .....until we see them posted on TheOutdoorsTrader ( for MONTHS!), and they're all completely mystified that they can't get their $1200 back out of it !!

YES I see it all the time on a local marketplace website here in VA. Any Glock that’s been “customized” or “improved” or “enhanced.”

I like my Glocks bone stock so I wouldn’t be a buyer anyways but certainly not as the insane prices they’re often asking.