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Trial over gun at Obama rally to begin
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The Rabbi
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So legal activity is now grounds for arrest? Wow, news to me.
Whats next? He'll be charged with treason?
Whats next? He'll be charged with treason?
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Would anyone be surprised?
badguybuster
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It will be very interesting to see how this shakes out. I have a feeling that any decent attorney will get this trashed before long. But you never know. Of course, what kind of moron carries a gun near any place where the President is?? I mean, come on....
Crazy K38
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better yet, where any democrat anti 2a president is?
DougE
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Obama was not a president when this incident took place.
"State police arrested Noble on Aug. 29 after he was seen wearing a gun near Beaver’s Irvine Park, just before a presidential campaign rally there for then-Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden."
We were all still hoping he wouldn't be elected at that point in time.
USAF385
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He'd be arrested no matter who the candidate was. Not a good idea to be caught with a gun close to a rally like that.
Additional information
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09197/984278-57.st
Man testifies why he took his gun to Obama rally
Says 'quiet protest' was the intention
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times Online - Top Stories
Man who brought gun to Obama rally testifies at trial
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09197/984278-57.st
Man testifies why he took his gun to Obama rally
Says 'quiet protest' was the intention
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times Online - Top Stories
Man who brought gun to Obama rally testifies at trial
The Rabbi
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That would seem logical but why? He had no intent to harm anyone. Would anyone say that a person with an anti Obama sign shouldn't protest at an Obama rally? Why should one right be more protected than another?
Noble was OUTSIDE the secure area. Whether he was 1 foot away, 1 block away, or 1 mile away, he was still legal.
USAF385
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Permit or not... legal or not. The secret service isn't going to let some guy on the street have a gun close to a candidate.
If you want to make a point, go for it. Common sense tells me not to carry a gun in that situation, and I personally wouldn't.
Now in the post after yours, johngalt says the man was outside the secure area, so that's a different story. However, I still would hang around JUST outside the secure area because I know how anal (and rightfully so) the secret service is.
The Rabbi
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OK, so the Secret Service isn't bound by the same laws and Constitution as the rest of us? Don't they have to swear an oath or something when they take the job?
I know what the reality is, and you are right. But legally it shouldn't be.
I know what the reality is, and you are right. But legally it shouldn't be.
He was arrested by the local police, not the secret service
USAF385
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Hmmm.... perhaps trying to look like big shots who stopped an "assassination attempt".Pasifikawv
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State police said Noble did not threaten anyone with the gun, a semiautomatic 9mm handgun, and it remained in his holster until it was confiscated as Noble stood at McIntosh Square, next to the rally at Irvine.
Noble also was carrying the gun legally, state police said; it was properly registered and did not violate the state’s open-carry law, under which someone does not need a permit to carry a weapon in plain sight.
Federal authorities said they would not charge Noble because he did not try to pass through metal detectors erected in Irvine Park to screen people attending the rally....
The sight of him carrying a weapon “created a public alarm,” according to a criminal complaint filed against Noble...
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Hmmm... How can a legal activity be deemed to "create a public alarm"?
Was it wise to be anywhere near a political rally with SS protection while open carrying? No.
Was it illegal? No.
Does a legal activity permissible in public and open view constitute a situation of "public alarm"? No.
Not guilty. Stupid move, yes. But not guilty.....
Noble also was carrying the gun legally, state police said; it was properly registered and did not violate the state’s open-carry law, under which someone does not need a permit to carry a weapon in plain sight.
Federal authorities said they would not charge Noble because he did not try to pass through metal detectors erected in Irvine Park to screen people attending the rally....
The sight of him carrying a weapon “created a public alarm,” according to a criminal complaint filed against Noble...
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Hmmm... How can a legal activity be deemed to "create a public alarm"?
Was it wise to be anywhere near a political rally with SS protection while open carrying? No.
Was it illegal? No.
Does a legal activity permissible in public and open view constitute a situation of "public alarm"? No.
Not guilty. Stupid move, yes. But not guilty.....
USAF385
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That about sums it up. I'm all for people open carrying, even when they wish to make a point... however, this is one of those places I wouldn't do it.
Jury still deliberating gun rights case
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times Online - News
Jury still deliberating gun rights case
Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times Online - News
Jury still deliberating gun rights case
Done deal now....NOT guilty of all charges.
Pasifikawv
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Noble Not Guilty Of Disrupting Public Gathering
BEAVER (KDKA) ― Hours after asking a judge to send them home because they were "frazzled," a Beaver County jury found John Noble not guilty of disrupting a public gathering when he brought a gun to a campaign rally for President Barack Obama.
The judge also found Noble not guilty of disorderly conduct.
Noble was accused of causing a disturbance by bringing a gun to the rally in Beaver County last year.
Though he had proper permits to carry the firearm, a trooper arrested him for disrupting a public gathering.
During the trial, Noble testified that he wanted to educate people about the right to carry firearms after Obama characterized Pennsylvanians as clinging to guns and religion.
After less than five hours of deliberations yesterday, the judge sent jurors home last night without a verdict.
The judge said it was the first time that a jury asked to go home because they were "frazzled."
Deliberations resumed this morning; and about two hours later, the jury reached their decision.
Had he been convicted of the third-degree misdemeanor, Noble could have faced as much as one year in jail and fines of up to $2,500.
BEAVER (KDKA) ― Hours after asking a judge to send them home because they were "frazzled," a Beaver County jury found John Noble not guilty of disrupting a public gathering when he brought a gun to a campaign rally for President Barack Obama.
The judge also found Noble not guilty of disorderly conduct.
Noble was accused of causing a disturbance by bringing a gun to the rally in Beaver County last year.
Though he had proper permits to carry the firearm, a trooper arrested him for disrupting a public gathering.
During the trial, Noble testified that he wanted to educate people about the right to carry firearms after Obama characterized Pennsylvanians as clinging to guns and religion.
After less than five hours of deliberations yesterday, the judge sent jurors home last night without a verdict.
The judge said it was the first time that a jury asked to go home because they were "frazzled."
Deliberations resumed this morning; and about two hours later, the jury reached their decision.
Had he been convicted of the third-degree misdemeanor, Noble could have faced as much as one year in jail and fines of up to $2,500.
An Industry man was cleared Friday of all charges
TimesOnline.com presents - TheTimesNewsNow.com Man who brought gun to Obama rally acquitted on all charges
BEAVER - An Industry man was cleared Friday of all charges for bringing a gun to a presidential campaign rally last year.
John Noble, 51, smiled broadly after the jury pronounced him not guilty of a misdemeanor charge of disrupting a public gathering.
Beaver County Judge Harry Knafelc also found Noble not guilty of a summary charge of disorderly conduct, although Knafelc said Noble performed a “foolish” act by wearing the gun at the Aug. 29 Obama-Biden campaign rally in Beaver.
For further details, revist timesonline.com.
TimesOnline.com presents - TheTimesNewsNow.com Man who brought gun to Obama rally acquitted on all charges
BEAVER - An Industry man was cleared Friday of all charges for bringing a gun to a presidential campaign rally last year.
John Noble, 51, smiled broadly after the jury pronounced him not guilty of a misdemeanor charge of disrupting a public gathering.
Beaver County Judge Harry Knafelc also found Noble not guilty of a summary charge of disorderly conduct, although Knafelc said Noble performed a “foolish” act by wearing the gun at the Aug. 29 Obama-Biden campaign rally in Beaver.
For further details, revist timesonline.com.
