The triggers on my M&P9 and M&P9C seems almost too light after my sigma without an external safety. Anyone else feel this way about the M&Ps. Yes I know they are an improvment but it is different.what do you think?
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The triggers on my M&P9 and M&P9C seems almost too light after my sigma without an external safety. Anyone else feel this way about the M&Ps. Yes I know they are an improvment but it is different.what do you think?
at-home-daddy
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I think if you're concerned, perhaps you'd be more comfortable with the Springfield XP and its grip safety. I gave a lot of consideration to the XP for just that reason, though ultimately decided the M&P will be fine if I just keep my finger off the trigger until I want it to fire.
Anton Chigurh
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Don't fret it........they are about the same as the multi-thousands of Glocks out there that don't go bang with proper handling.
Now, the Pro 9 is a different colored horse........would not want to use it for PD, as it is down around 3 lbs.......not being Mas Ayoob or Jack Bauer, I can only hope I wouldn't pull one off by accident in dire stress situations.
My .45 M&P fullsize model is the opposite.....has about a Glock NY-1 trigger........must be 8 lbs.
Now, the Pro 9 is a different colored horse........would not want to use it for PD, as it is down around 3 lbs.......not being Mas Ayoob or Jack Bauer, I can only hope I wouldn't pull one off by accident in dire stress situations.
My .45 M&P fullsize model is the opposite.....has about a Glock NY-1 trigger........must be 8 lbs.
Stillwater788
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I just picked up a T&E .45 from Lawmans and found out about the 8-10 lbs pull. Why so diffrent from the 9/40 guns?
Anton Chigurh
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Stillwater788, not sure if 2 guns is a trend, but..........my 9c and .357c are much lighter, and the 9 pro is off the charts.....really is interesting going from one to the other(s)
Spotteddog
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Stillwater,
I don't know if this applies to your gun? But a few days ago while attempting to order an M&P9c with night sights (unavailable, BTW), then while going through the variants listings the counter guy asked these option questions. 1. Magazine drop safety-yes/no? 2. 10 pound New York (NYPD?) trigger-yes/no? Like I said, don't know if it could apply to yours...
I don't know if this applies to your gun? But a few days ago while attempting to order an M&P9c with night sights (unavailable, BTW), then while going through the variants listings the counter guy asked these option questions. 1. Magazine drop safety-yes/no? 2. 10 pound New York (NYPD?) trigger-yes/no? Like I said, don't know if it could apply to yours...
Stillwater788
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Ah….that may be the case. The trigger is neither creppy nor gritty - simply heavy with a pretty clean break, as if by design. I’m pretty sure the gun was a T&E from the Durham, NC PD – they are turning in their beloved 4506s. I shot the gun last evening with a little action shooting group at our local range and was very impressed with the pistol. The gun shows great promise for accuracy – 3 inch groups from an informal rest at 20 yards with the handloads I had available (200grn LRNFP over 3.9 Clays). I’ll be very interested to see what it will do with a tuned trigger and an optimized load at 25 yards. I must say the perceived recoil is not much more than shooting a hot 9mm – very pleasant with good distribution of the force over the entire grip, and very little flip due to the low bore axis. It handles very well during target transitions and multiple shots on target. This is a very nice pistol. I think it’ll replace my 4586 as my IDPA CDP gun. Now let’s see…I need more mags, a holster, mag carriers and…
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Anton Chigurh
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I didn't know the M&Ps came in various trigger configs..........makes sense, just wish I had known, or had been told.
Ah, since it is a primary home defense pistol, the heavier the pull, the better, from a legal standpoint.........but I could really count coup with the 9Pro..........3 lb trigger? maybe? Pull off target vs. shooting target when target was " no mas!"
Ah, since it is a primary home defense pistol, the heavier the pull, the better, from a legal standpoint.........but I could really count coup with the 9Pro..........3 lb trigger? maybe? Pull off target vs. shooting target when target was " no mas!"
You can have the standard trigger changed the the 10lbs. one. Any S&W certified armorer should be able to do it. I'm considering buying a standard model and having the 10lbs. trigger put on it so I don't have to deal with the 10 round mags of the MA-spec version that comes from the factory.
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I think the M&P trigger is pretty much the same deal as the Glock trigger, which has been in worldwide use since the mid 80s.
People who have NDs do so because they are negligent. Don't be, and you won't have one.
Had 2 shooters at my IDPA match today shooting the M&P 9 PROs.
No problem at all because they ONLY PUT FINGER IN THE TRIGGER GUARD WHEN THE GUN WAS POINTED AT THE TARGET.
Anybody that can't learn that gets sent home, even if they have a 20# trigger. One of the worst problems with someone who has been shooting only by themselves first coming to an IDPA match is getting them to practice muzzle and trigger discipline. Many want to move between firing points with their finger resting on the trigger, gun pointing who knows where.
By the way, I checked an M&P 9Pro with a trigger gauge and got 4 1/4#.
No problem at all because they ONLY PUT FINGER IN THE TRIGGER GUARD WHEN THE GUN WAS POINTED AT THE TARGET.
Anybody that can't learn that gets sent home, even if they have a 20# trigger. One of the worst problems with someone who has been shooting only by themselves first coming to an IDPA match is getting them to practice muzzle and trigger discipline. Many want to move between firing points with their finger resting on the trigger, gun pointing who knows where.
By the way, I checked an M&P 9Pro with a trigger gauge and got 4 1/4#.
Matt Murphy
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+1 on learning trigger control and discipline. If you are going to own a gun it is your responsibility to practice safe handling techniques. For 14 years it was pounded into our heads, finger OFF the trigger until you are going to fire. If you have your finger on the trigger and something should startle you...BANG. If you have your finger on the trigger and you should trip or stumble while walking...BANG. I love light triggers around 4lbs. Makes shooting for accuracy more enjoyable to me. Duty guns kept factory trigger pulls for legal reasons. To whoever said they were going to change their trigger to the heavier pull. Imagine yourself on the stand explaining that to a prick prosecuting attny. If you think you can explain it then change away. I would never alter a personal defense gun.
Here's a simple explanation: I shoot more accurately with a heavy trigger. The 10lbs. trigger on the M&P or the NY1 and NY2 triggers on the Glock are factory trigger variants, so it's not like you're doing some backalley trigger job that could lead to malfunctions. I agree that a heavy trigger is not a replacement for trigger discipline, but there are some legitimate reasons why someone would want one.
In response to the OP. My M&P9 did not come with the 10lb trigger pull but it was certainly not a light trigger pull. Mushy, yes, but not light. In any event, a trip to Bowie Tactical Concepts for a trigger job fixed the mushy trigger and the lack of descernable reset point and has made this M&P9 a real joy to shoot and easy to shoot well.
I'm with Matt.
I realize this is the day and age of safeties on top of safeties, but it really is as simple as just keeping your damn finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire. This concept worked fine for generations of police officers who carried revolvers in all kinds of high stress situations and many of these revolvers had very light trigger pulls.
I realize this is the day and age of safeties on top of safeties, but it really is as simple as just keeping your damn finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire. This concept worked fine for generations of police officers who carried revolvers in all kinds of high stress situations and many of these revolvers had very light trigger pulls.
CTPete
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What I would like to see is a hammer fired M&P, DA/SA with a decocker. (As in the FNP9/40/45)
I think it may be just a bit simplistic to say, "Keep your finger off the trigger." Of course, that's right - undeniably. When the pistol is in my hand, I couldn't care less whether it has a safety or not. But, otherwise, I much prefer to have a safety.
I am not so sure this is a matter of trigger action as it is of gunhandling in general. One hears of more than a few Glock ADs that happen when the user is holstering. (Of course, one also hears of Glock ADs that take place when the user is unloading the pistol! That one is really hard to fathom.
If I could send my M&Ps back for a thumb safety like some of the M&P45s have, I would probably do it, if the price was reasonable.
Littledragon777
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I have an M&P9 and 40. I have had a trigger job done on the 40 and it is about 4 lbs. It is a real pleasure to shoot. I shoot much tighter groups with it than I do my 9 which by the way is my duty gun. The 9 shoots acceptable groups for center of mass shots which would be my main focus if I ever had to use it.
