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How many believe when the SHTF and its happening, all bets are off you are going to lose your life if you don't react. Your reaction is doing what we all hope never happens but train for a day when it might and you are using your EDC.
Do you believe if you are using your pistol to save your life or the life of a loved one that you will play the trigger rest game, or not.
 
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cracker57 said:
Wasn't sure where to post this...
How many believe when the SHTF and its happening, all bets are off you are going to lose your life if you don't react. Your reaction is doing what we all hope never happens but train for a day when it might and you are using your EDC.
Do you believe if you are using your pistol to save your life or the life of a loved one that you will play the trigger rest game, or not.
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What's the trigger reset game?

One thing I've learned from shooting competition, with fast follow up shots on close range targets (e.g. USPSA "Can You Count" classifier), if I grip too hard with my strong hand, sometimes I start to short stoke the trigger. Not every shot, but occasionally. Glad I learned about that on the range and not in real life.
 
Recently watched a video of Bill Wilson shooting a 1911 gun, his finger was going completely off the trigger between shots. He was shooting plenty fast too. Never even thought of reset til recently. Don't believe in it today. I do shoot revolvers so I'm used to a long "reset" I guess.
 
growr said:
What is the obsession with trigger reset???
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It came from competition shooters trying to shave tenths or hundredths of a second off their split times by "riding the reset," only letting the trigger go forward enough to reset than pulling again.

I agree with those posting here that it's not something to rely on in a defensive encounter as it might lead to short-stroking under stress. I let the trigger all the way forward, while trying to maintain contact with the trigger. It's also why I like triggers with a strong, firm reset, not so I can "ride the reset" but to make it easier for me to let the trigger fully release and minimize the risk of short-stroking.
 
pistolpete10 said:
Recently watched a video of Bill Wilson shooting a 1911 gun, his finger was going completely off the trigger between shots. He was shooting plenty fast too. Never even thought of reset til recently. Don't believe in it today. I do shoot revolvers so I'm used to a long "reset" I guess.
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I believe I've seen Rob Leatham do that, too.
 
I don't care about that stuff. I would rather become proficient with what I'm carrying than spend money and time chasing after the illusive ideal carry gun and trying to shave off as many microseconds as possible to give me an edge in some gunfight that I'll probably never actually even get into in the first place, and if I do then I'm already at a disadvantage because I obviously won't be the one who starts it.

No matter how you slice it, once you've gotten involved in a shooting, you're just making the best of a very bad situation that has already spiraled hopelessly out of control because you're fighting for your very life.
Yes, it's obviously a good idea to prepare for the worst as best as you can, but when you start getting to the point that you're trying to shave off fractions of a second when it comes to how fast you can pull the trigger, that's just too much for me. To me, that's struggling for diminishing returns that will never be worth the effort and most likely will not aid you at all in the end.
 
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To me, the lighter reset is not about shaving time, it's about a lighter trigger pull for better shot placement. You can take a pound or 3 off the trigger pull by having the lightest reliable rebound spring. What is the lightest one depends on how hard the mainspring is set. How hard the mainspring is set depends on what primers you are using. The rebound spring has to overcome the downward force of the hammer to rebound it off the frame and to return the trigger forward. This is for target shooting to get the most possible points in a match. If you do have a misfire or short stroke, you only lose some time or points, not your life.

If you get in a shootout, you are not going to notice if the trigger pull is 20 pounds, you'll be able to pull it. The average factory trigger pull is around 12 pounds, going down to around 8 pounds just before the hammer falls. This is entirely doable without a rush of adrenaline. Keep the carry gun with full power springs. It HAS to work every single time. You can practice just fine with it this way.
 
Fast trigger reset was one of the things I liked about HK pistols, especially the MK-23. The problem is unless you practice with it to the point it becomes second nature you are going to have a problem. With HKs it seemed almost like 2nd nature to me, the new HK-45C comes with a trigger that is very similar to the MK-23. If it was a duty pistol or one that I relied on to save my life I would practice with it more, even with occasional practice it still seems like 2nd nature, the reset is that easy to feel. If double taps were allowed at my range I would practice it more often.
 
I see the jury is in, trigger reset will not even cross your mind in a SD shooting. I train for saving my life not to beat a clock and don't think about reset. I don't compete with anyone other than myself and do use a timer to do this. However I don't buy a faster pistol with a large mag well, a holster that I can't conceal ect. just to beat the clock. I train with what I carry and train the way I hope I will react. I don't use the slide release but I rack the slide from the slide lock as I feel I will be able to do this better(faster and more reliable) when under stress. My groups are not little bug holes but the holes appear at a pretty fast rate and they count as hits
So how many who say they won't even think about reset train this way? I understand if you compete that you may train this way and buy equipment to make you faster and I am in no way saying that is foolish. In fact I have respect for those who choose to, it's just not for me, I can't even beat myself have the time.
 
Ziggy2525 said:
One thing I've learned from shooting competition, with fast follow up shots on close range targets (e.g. USPSA "Can You Count" classifier), if I grip too hard with my strong hand, sometimes I start to short stoke the trigger. Not every shot, but occasionally. Glad I learned about that on the range and not in real life.
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No. I can NOT count. I've shot that clean maybe two times. It's fun though.

As for USPSA, I shoot Carry Optics and Limited, both with a Walther PPQ Q5 Match. My EDC just happens to be a 4" PPQ ...

As for 'ride the reset' or 'play the reset game' - nope, not even a little bit.
 
Using the trigger reset is a training tool. It helps build better trigger control.

Absolutely no one will feel the reset on a properly executed controlled pair. However, using the trigger reset, while practicing at a slower pace, will build muscle memory. This muscle memory will help you control the trigger better, even as you speed up. Better trigger control means better accuracy. Better accuracy increases your chances of living to tell the tale.
 
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