Try not to use UPS!

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I won't go into detail here, as it took me 10 phone calls lasting a total of about 9 hours on the phone to get their mess straightened out, but I will try and give the highlights..
Had a repaired gun shipped to me. I wasn't able to be home during delivery times, so called and the recording said I could pick it up within 5 business days. Went the next day, 45 min. drive each way, and found that they had sent the package back.
Talked to three supervisors, three customer service reps, and one managing supervisor...got 7 different stories including one supervisor calling one of the customer service reps a liar, and the managing supervisor calling that supervisor a liar. (a direct quote).
Had to pay an additional $50+ to get the gun back to me several days later, after many more minutes on the phone.
A couple of the really strange things I was told...the package was attemped to be delivered at 7:35 PM and at that same time, the company that shipped it called UPS and demanded the package be sent back. That story kept changing, depending on who I talked to, after I informed them that the company was not open at 11:00 PM to make that call. After I told them where the company was located they adjusted the last delivery time to one that would "work."
I was told that the driver has the sole discretion to mark any package so as to require a signature for delivery, or an adult (over 21) signature, and that the shipper has no say in the matter.
I was promised many calls from the local hub supervisor that never came. I had a supervisor I reached through their 1-800 number call and let me know she was on it and I would receive a call from the local supervisor within 1 hour from when I talked to her. 42 minutes later I received a call but not from the supervisor. The person refused to identify their position, so it could have been the cleaning person, a desk clerk, driver, or the person who makes the coffee.
The best of many was the conversation about the "super secret" private contracts that shippers have. I don't remember the exact words, but in a nutshell, I was told by Chris (supervisor #2792), that companies who have an account and ship packages can make up their own contracts with UPS, that don't have to be posted or disclosed unless the shipper does it, and that those contracts can override any and all other contracts with UPS. So, if a shipper wants to have you pay an additional $20 at the time of delivery, above and beyond what you have already paid, UPS will refuse to deliver that package until you pay. I actually asked him if that scenario could happen and he said as long as it is in their contract, yes, we would follow it!
I finally got my pistol back, was happy to finally get it, although I had to pay shipping twice. From now on I will have my FFL handle the shipping both ways, through USPS, and if that won't work, it is FedEx for me...might not be any better, but honestly don't think it could be worse!
 
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I've found it's always beneficial to have a friendly rapport with the UPS driver, if he/she is a regular on the route. Once the driver is familiar with you, they're more prone to redeliver or leave a note if you're not around. My regular UPS driver missed me for a delivery one morning last month, but made it a point to try again after lunch (he was not required to do that), at which point we connected. He knows that myself and the wife receive parcels every couple/few weeks, and is very willing to make sure he drops off when we're home. I've found that the UPS drivers are a good bunch of hard working people, and I've never had a problem with them or the home office. No gripes with USPS either. FedEx I'm not impressed with. Mistakes are going to happen simply based upon the massive volume of packages en route on a given day ... you just hope that the mistake doesn't come at your expense, especially when involving a firearm. I've shipped twice on my own dime ... never again. Not only did I get ripped price-wise, but it was nerve wracking waiting to see if the firearm arrived, or ended up in some black hole. I now stick with FFLs to ship and receive ... no exceptions. They know the shipping business far better than I do, and can deal with problems more effectively.
 
Remind me to tell you about my FedEx horror story. Remind me to tell you about my USPS horror story. Remind me to tell you about my UPS horror story.

etc...etc....
 
Can't quite match your UPS story, but did have a few occasions to attempt to get an answer out of the 'customer service' and/or supervisors.

I had a bout of packages not being delivered to my residential address. They were packages that NO signature was required - simply leave on porch. I live in quiet, rural area, so that's fine. But packages were supposedly being returned after a few delivery attempts with the notation 'no one home for signature'.
Several calls were made to CS without so much as a return call that was promised.
Once, a supervisor did call, offered NO explanation and simply said "we'll see about upping the quality of service you're experiencing".
Had never heard that one before.

Continued to happen - finally got one of the packages re-routed to my work address JUST before it was about to be returned to sender.
Saw the scribbled notations on the box, indicating dates/times of previous delivery 'attempts'. Interestingly, next to these was a large letter 'D', encircled in ballpoint pen.

Did a little investigating by talking with a couple of UPS employees I'm acquainted with.
The 'D' means 'dog'. My elderly Labrador used to lay under some shade trees in the yard, was customarily ecstatic to get to 'visit' with anyone walking up the drive. Loved on everyone.
Supposedly, union elements of UPS won a 'no delivery' custom if a visible dog is spotted, due I'm sure to incidents of drivers being bitten.
So, they simply skip delivery, note 'no one home' ( a LIE) and make the 'D' notation.
Could never get CS to verify this.
Dog has been gone for a few years now, so no repeats.
 
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It's all a plot by the manufacturers! If your gun breaks, don't try to have it repaired, just buy a new one........;):D!!
 
I've had several run ins with FedEx and UPS...and USPS. The quality of service from any of them, 'scuse the bluntness, sucks around here. I've had similar stories of both FedEx and UPS making up stories about why they couldn't deliver something when they never attempted...and when I was even sitting on the front porch when they supposedly attempted delivery.
 
I own a mail order business, I use USPS and UPS on a daily basis, FedEx occasionally. Never had a bit of trouble from any in 16 years of business. We ship on average 40-50 packages per week.

I did have a package in the mail get lost for about 30 days but that was my fault for putting the wrong zip code on it.

It pays to have a good working relationship with the drivers and the office people. Once when trying to mail a full auto M3 Grease Gun I had difficulty on the shipping end with a post master. My local post master got on the phone, read the shipper's post master the regulations on what had to be done, three days later the M3 is delivered. That is not the kinds of service you often hear about coming from the post office but it is the kind of service I have received over the years.
 
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Had UPS say I refused delivery of a camera at a certain time on a particular day. That was tricky given I was at work giving a presentation in front of 12+ VERY reliable witnesses, including my boss. They redeemed themselves somewhat with the special effort that was made to return my Model 63 after repair.
 
about 5-6 years ago(memory fases as you age) we had a package that my sister sent to me with a few family items.
never made it here but online showed it as delivered.
after about a month of back and forth with the he said she said we found out from regular driver that it had been delivered to the house at the end of our lane.
had nice talk with the lady of the house explained the situation and gave a discription of items.

she had received the items in question from her two sons as a birthday gift the month they went missing....
 
Well at least they didn't just leave it on the front porch.

A co-worker sent his FN-FAL in for repairs.

When his 12 year old son came home from school, he found the unattended package on the front door step.

I had that happen with UPS years ago when I was still working. Sent a Glock 23 in for repair, asked Glodk to mark package "Adult Signature Required," which they did. UPS left it on my front door step, I don't have a porch. It sat there all day till I returned from work. Thank God it was still there.

I have a different UPS driver now who seems to be gun friendly and do not have those problems anymore.
 
My sister-in-law, niece and nephew all work or worked for UPS. One thing I learned from them is the drivers (supposedly) must deliver all packages on the truck before they can quit for the day. Depending on the route and volume of cargo, it can cause them to be out quite late. When I get UPS shipments here at the house, it has been as late as 7pm when delivered. There was one instance where my package requiring signature was not delivered the day it was scheduled and online tracking showed it marked "No one home." Since we care for an elderly parent, someone is ALWAYS home so it appears that he was simply trying to shorten his day.

BTW, another sister-in-law sent Christmas gifts ordered online and the PX shipped them Fed-Ex. Tracking showed them delivered but no packages. The PX reshipped them Fed-Ex and they showed delivered but again nothing. Turns out both times the driver had delivered them to a house two blocks up the road with an address one number off from ours. The house he delivered to both times was obviously vacant and had a for sale sign in the front yard. SIL finally picked them up from the PX herself and shipped USPS. No problem.

Finally, I've unloaded many a USPS package out of the baggage bins of aircraft that rattled with the sound of broken glass or were crushed and otherwise damage. It doesn't matter who you ship with, there are going to be problems. There are horror stories for everyone.

CW
 
What does the on-line tracking information show?

I have packages delivered by UPS once or twice a month and the sender always notifies me of shipment and provides a tracking number. On the day of scheduled delivery I notice (on their web site) "Out for delivery". It's always arrived that afternoon. And as said before, getting to know the delivery driver doesn't hurt.
 
You have many good points, the problem is that I get one or two packages a year from UPS, and each time the driver is a different person. As for the tracking number, I did finally verify that the last delivery time was around 4:30, not the 7:30 the customer rep stated. Another problem is I work an evening shift and have to leave for work around 2 PM. My daughter was supposed to stay and sign for it, but left.
My whole point was that I called immediately upon getting word that the package had not been delivered and was told it was to be held for 5 days. This was at 10 PM. My UPS hub doesn't open until noon, and I was at the door when they unlocked it, but by that time the package had been sent back. I could not get a phone number to call and talk to anyone before they opened at noon. After that, anytime I called I needed the tracking number...the number for tracking the package RETURNING to the sender, and since I wasn't the shipper, they could not give it to me. So sort of a Catch 22, I needed the number to solve the problem, I couldn't get the number to solve the problem...
My last point is, I followed all THEIR rules, stated on THEIR website, and stated by THEIR customer service people, and yet even though I did that, THEY didn't follow THEIR own rules and I ended up being the loser in the deal.
 
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Just shipped a hand gun from wv to Il via ups. It cost me $75. I almost fainted
 
I guess i'm lucky. I've never had a problem with either UPS , USPS or FedEx.

I deal with FedEx because there's a store and depot a mile away from my house. The regular counter staff know me by now and will hold my packages there if I drop off the ticket , or with a simple email instead of leaving them on my porch. Never had a hassle shipping or receiving firearms. I can also redirect packages to my workplace (no guns or ammo) with ease , as the same depot services them.
 
Had an order of shotgun shells dropped off by UPS under a bush in my neighbor's yard. It had the tag they normally put on your door when no one is home attached to the package!
We live directly across the road from an elementary school, and I can just see the uproar that would have ensued if some kid had found it first.

Myron
 
Just shipped a hand gun from wv to Il via ups. It cost me $75. I almost fainted

Shipping FFL to FFL it is legal to ship handguns through the USPS. Cost is much less than the overnight rates charged by UPS.

If I have a complaint about UPS it is the requirement to ship handguns overnight. This all came about because they could not stop the theft of handguns out of their Alexandra, VA facility in 1999.
 
WOW what a mess. I'm goin try Pony Express next time. No one has said anything bad about them here.
Seriuosly:UPS is good for me. Nice driver and I take care of him at the Holidays. Same driver all the time makes the difference. FED-UP with Fed-Ex. Too many items damaged.
 
There is no longer any good customer service from most businesses. The best you can do is ask for a supervisor on your 1st call and then escalate from there. I won't bore you with my stories but they are many and varied. It pays to escalate initially and use the state Attorney General at the originating end and your own to put pressure on those who are at fault. Remember, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease!
 
Well at least they didn't just leave it on the front porch.

A co-worker sent his FN-FAL in for repairs.

When his 12 year old son came home from school, he found the unattended package on the front door step.

Same thing happened to me once. To this day I dont know if it was due to the shippers (UPS) incompetence, or if the seller was trying to save a buck and did not declare the package as a firearm. But yea, it was unnerving coming home and finding a package on my doorstep, then opening it up and finding a gun that I was expecting to have to sign for. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of kids, and school was out...
 
I had a 12" speaker delivered UPS once, in a 12x12x6 box. When I found the box on the porch, it and the speaker were bent in half perfectly like an Old El Paso taco shell, with the address label down in the bottom of the fold of the taco, you needed a dental mirror to read it. Wasn't sure what was a more amazing feat, the driver reading that label or deciding to leave it at my house..

Dave
 
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