Trying to determine the value of this PPC revolver

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Picked this up a couple of years ago because; everyone should own at least one PPC revolver. It's a Bob Jones built 15-3. I believe it has a Shilen Barrel, Aristocrat sight rib and of course Bobs action tune.

 

[Exchipy]

Exchipy, thats a real witch you got there
Some masterful shootin!
Lol, is that a silencer! That was a perfect reply by the way
Wow man, that target brings back memories!
There was one time daddy shot a perfect score - he kept the target but, we lost it to Hurricane Helene last fall.
I remember many times and just so many huge trophies he had from Charlotte PD, Gastonia, Lincolnton, Boone, Shelby, etc etc - my daddy was a Prison Warden (later on over about all the prisons in Western NC) he was also leader of the PERT Team at one time but, they also had their own shooting team and they did win the NC State Championship (out of all 100 NC Prisons at that time - not sure how many prisons actually had a team but, it was a lot) he had a helluva team- most people from the Southern Blue Ridge can shoot anyways - but, I remember loving to go to the Matches - it was a great time those days
I gotta say, you PPC shooters are the best of the best (revolver shooters!)
That dang 50 yard line will separate the men from the boys & you my friend are all man!

I once saw a 600 target shot by Bill Davis in competition. And, there's this target, shot by my friend Leroy Pyle, San Jose PD Pistol Team:


But, the best I ever did in competition was to shoot one 9 at 9:00 o'clock and another 9 at 6:00 o'clock for a 598 at the Stockton PD match in 1977. Didn't win, though. Another competitor out X-ed me to win the match. Such is life.

My duty gun was set up exactly like my competition gun, except in stainless steel. That PPC barreled 67 looked much like this 686, but with a plain black front sight:


Because I firmly believed that participation in PPC competition was the best life insurance investment a patrol officer could make (two of my Academy classmates were the first to be killed at Newhall), I didn't install an oversized Aristocrat sight rib or employ a "neck hold" sight picture. I always aimed directly at what I wanted to hit; well, almost: a 6:00 o'clock hold on the X ring at 7 yards, a 6:00 o'clock hold on the 10 ring at 25 yards, and a center hold at 50 yards.

 

[PauldL]

Dang that's soooooo freakin hard to do!!
Hell, a 580 is dang near impossible imo!
But yeah, that target by Leroy looked just like daddy's target except he didn't have any in the 9 ring
He only did that once though, and it was practice but, of course there were witnesses and the target was dated and signed off on.
Man, daddy passed away in 2018 and we never really talked about it much - i was very young when he competed
But, those numbers you mentioned brought back memories too!
I think daddy usually shot a 580 - theres a couple guys still alive from his team, ill ask them to be sure but, I do know he was very good - i think maybe you might be a GrandMaster sir with that 585 you shot.
I cant remember how the Master and GrandMaster designations went though
At any rate, I do remember a couple guys that daddy said he just could not beat in North Carolina and they were Mark Duncan and Randy Clark if memory serves correctly- i do remember him saying that those guys were just pure hell at the 50 yard line but, to be fair I believe those 2 guys had sponsors (professional) and you know im sure that it take thousands upon thousands of rounds of practice to really be dominant in PPC
That 50 yard line is a bastard
One other thing, if i ever saw you comin with a gun id haul ass
I know just how good you are sir - theres not many people in this entire country can pull off what you did
Thats ABSOLUTE MASTERY of shooting

 

[PauldL]

Ive got some old pics somewhere i hope!
Ill try and find them
I love seeing pics from back then
Thank you for the pics too!
Brings back really great memories
*edit*
That Newhall gun battle; oh my Lord
You know that brings even more memories back because for a while daddy also taught combat firearms thru the local community college for law enforcement- he had a little fun house and all but, what i really remember due to the Newhall gun battle you mentioned was that when he taught a class, he woukd start off about ya know talkin about how sad it was for the officer that had been shot and all and how dangerous it was- but it was just to get them in the right mindset - ( of course it was sad and very real) but he then said ill be damned if im gonna be gunned down by some convict or criminal- he wanted them to say hell no!
We will gun their ass down!!
He was in essence saying just exactly what you said! Its the best insurance you could ever have!
Know how to shoot and shoot good!
Practice! Practice! Practice! Get that confidence up! Compete and practice!
I hear ya and your freakin spot on about it being the best life insurance possible!

 

[AJ]

Ive got some old pics somewhere i hope!
Ill try and find them
I love seeing pics from back then
Thank you for the pics too!
Brings back really great memories
*edit*
That Newhall gun battle; oh my Lord
You know that brings even more memories back because for a while daddy also taught combat firearms thru the local community college for law enforcement- he had a little fun house and all but, what i really remember due to the Newhall gun battle you mentioned was that when he taught a class, he woukd start off about ya know talkin about how sad it was for the officer that had been shot and all and how dangerous it was- but it was just to get them in the right mindset - ( of course it was sad and very real) but he then said ill be damned if im gonna be gunned down by some convict or criminal- he wanted them to say hell no!
We will gun their ass down!!
He was in essence saying just exactly what you said! Its the best insurance you could ever have!
Know how to shoot and shoot good!
Practice! Practice! Practice! Get that confidence up! Compete and practice!
I hear ya and your freakin spot on about it being the best life insurance possible!

I was stationed in So.Cal. for a while. We had 22 law enforcement agencies that used our ranges. I taught Combat Pistol and Combat Shotgun to the military. We trained with several different agencies. What Newhall taught us was to train like it was for real all the time. Never to train like we were on a range. Never shot PPC while there, however did shoot a lot of combat courses while there.

The only target that I saved was from the last combat shoot I participated in. You can see I had one to keep me humble out in the 3 ring at 3 o'clock.

 

[PauldL]

I was stationed in So.Cal. for a while. We had 22 law enforcement agencies that used our ranges. I taught Combat Pistol and Combat Shotgun to the military. We trained with several different agencies. What Newhall taught us was to train like it was for real all the time. Never to train like we were on a range. Never shot PPC while there, however did shoot a lot of combat courses while there.

The only target that I saved was from the last combat shoot I participated in. You can see I had one to keep me humble out in the 3 ring at 3 o'clock.View attachment 796035

Thats an AWESOME combat target!
You've went thru a lot of ammo in your time!!
Thank you for posting this up
Oh! & that reminds me - thats exactly right about always training like its real
The NC Highway Patrol had a Trooper get in a gun battle and when his gun jammed- what did he do? He raised his weak hand of course!
They got away from that training real quick -
Your training really does stick with you - all the more important to train like it's real

 

[PauldL]

Exchippy & AJ are two very bad dudes with a gun!!
I wanna thank both you fellas for postin up and especially for the stories
Brought back many good memories
I'd absolutely love to be able to shoot with you fellas one day

 

[Exchipy]

Dang that's soooooo freakin hard to do!!
Hell, a 580 is dang near impossible imo!
But yeah, that target by Leroy looked just like daddy's target except he didn't have any in the 9 ring
He only did that once though, and it was practice but, of course there were witnesses and the target was dated and signed off on.
Man, daddy passed away in 2018 and we never really talked about it much - i was very young when he competed
But, those numbers you mentioned brought back memories too!
I think daddy usually shot a 580 - theres a couple guys still alive from his team, ill ask them to be sure but, I do know he was very good - i think maybe you might be a GrandMaster sir with that 585 you shot.
I cant remember how the Master and GrandMaster designations went though
At any rate, I do remember a couple guys that daddy said he just could not beat in North Carolina and they were Mark Duncan and Randy Clark if memory serves correctly- i do remember him saying that those guys were just pure hell at the 50 yard line but, to be fair I believe those 2 guys had sponsors (professional) and you know im sure that it take thousands upon thousands of rounds of practice to really be dominant in PPC
That 50 yard line is a bastard
One other thing, if i ever saw you comin with a gun id haul ass
I know just how good you are sir - theres not many people in this entire country can pull off what you did
Thats ABSOLUTE MASTERY of shooting

Though one of Leroy's two wide shots is pictured as apparently getting "the finger," it is close enough to the ten ring, that I can't really determine whether or not it actually cuts the line, by the tiniest little bit, to be scored as a 10, even when I enlarge the photo to look more closely.

You correctly deduced that I was classified PPC Grand Master, during my time on the CHP Blue Team. Interestingly, to give some idea of the intense competitiveness at that level, I was invited onto the Blue Team just before the end of the 1975 PPC match season, and was absolutely delighted to have made it onto the California Governor's Twenty, at number 16, in 1976 with a best ten shoot average of 591-point-something-or-other. However, while my 10 shoot average for the next year had improved to 593, I didn't even make the cut to get onto the Governor's Twenty for 1977. The LAPD Team had become the team to beat, which we were only occasionally able to do (and only when they were having a bad day).

While I always enjoyed shooting at every reasonable opportunity, my road patrol obligations and PPC match schedule left very little time for it. So, I was only able to actually "practice" on surprising few occasions. However, the Blue Team match schedule was so crowded that, for me, the actual matches often provided the only PPC practice I got.

On a side note: Whenever I pointed my PPC barreled S&W 67 at arrestees, I always smiled the biggest, broadest smile I could muster and spoke commands clearly, but without shouting. It absolutely frightened the crap out of them. Their shock was physically visible, as they suddenly became convinced that I was some kinda psycho who was absolutely salivating at finally getting a chance to shoot someone. I never encountered even slightly defiant attitudes on such occasions.

 

[Exchipy]

Dang that's soooooo freakin hard to do!!
Hell, a 580 is dang near impossible imo!
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That 50 yard line is a bastard

When I first started shooting PPC, I was struggling to get out of the 560s. Then, I had to shoot the Monterey County S.O. PPC match on the Fort Ord pistol range in the fog. The match had been delayed by the dense fog, until it thinned just enough to barely make out the vague shape of the silhouette targets at 50 yards. I couldn't see my target well enough to focus on it. So, with nothing else to look at, I focused on my front sight, and my score miraculously jumped 20 points that day. Lesson learned, and things progressed steadily upward from then on.