Two questions on LEOSA in your state....

[AZretired]

I qualify at my old department in NM. No training, just show up at "Retiree Range Day" shoot the bull, then shoot the State qual. course (twice if you want to carry a revolver and/or an auto) , then we get issued a new ID card and sign a form that acknowledges that our department is not responsible for our actions or training. Last year about 16 guys qualified.

 

[Jhawk412]

I retired from a Kansas police department but moved to Texas. They had me fill out a form to get a Texas police ID number to track my qual dates. Just go to any CCH instructor, qualify on a fairly simple course of fire and send that in each year. They send back a very professional looking ID card identyfying me as retired LEO having met the annual qual. No mention of individual gun nor revolver or auto. I highly recommend training materials from Sheepdog Academy. Guy knows his stuff.

https://www.sheepdogacademy.com/

 

[vegasgunhand]

Here in Nevada we have it pretty easy. The CCW course is managed by the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs of Police Association. They set the state-wide standards for CCW permits. The agency that has jurisdiction where you live is the issuing agency for the H.R. 218 permits. I live here in Las Vegas, so Las Vegas Metro P.D. issues the H.R. 218 permits.

Once a year I go to a certified CCW instructor and qualify with an auto and revolver. The instructor signs off on a sheet that states I successfully qualified, and then I take that sheet to LVMPD CCW Section, and they mail me my new card usually with in ten days.

 

[7shooter]

I help run the range for the local HR 218 class. There is a one hour class taught by a current or retired County prosecutor. I sit in on the class because I want to see if anything has changed in the last year. The retired officers are from city, county, and state agencies. The curriculum covers use of force including deadly force and emphasizes the difference between LEOs and their current status as civilians. Most students are male with a few females. Fun class and most easily pass the 50 round qualification course.
( In Mn. )

 

[ken158]

In Arkansas there's no recurring training required. We show up, load magazines and shoot the same state approved course of fire as the active officers. We only shoot one weapon type (revolver or semi) and are covered for any sidearm we choose to carry. The majority of our retirees show up for the qualification.

What Goldstar said here in VA plus they feed us and we chat about department activities, etc.

 

[Aegis]

I retired from an agency in so calif. I now live in Idaho. I go to a local gun store/range and a certified civilian conducts a 26 round course. Take the score sheet to the sheriffs office and they issue the photo id card which is almost identical to Idahos drivers license.The Sheriffs office camera is connected to the state DMV. The civilian CCW card is also very close, they all look alike.

 

[AimHigher]

Here's an easy alternative to LEOSA (Although it does not provide nationwide coverage). Live in a constitutional carry state such as AZ, ID, AK, MO, KS, VT etc. (no CCW required where you live - where you spend 95% of your life), and then obtain a Florida Non-resident CCW license, online/US Mail @ $90.00 for 7 years. Good in 32 states. No initial or anual qualification required. Must have either an approved CCW course certificate or a DD Form 214 with honorable discharge. Florida expedites permit processing for veterans.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Well, most permitless carry states, except for Vermont, also issue CC permits for the situation you describe. Further, LEOSA many times allows you to carry in places where permitless carry, or permit carry out of state, would not. I agree that Florida is the easiest out of state permit to obtain, but not as easy as trotting down to the local sheriff. Most sheriff's around here will issue a CC permit to a retired LEO on the spot, as the continuing education requirements easily satisfy the training requirements of the CC permit process.

Here's an easy alternative to LEOSA (Although it does not provide nationwide coverage). Live in a constitutional carry state such as AZ, ID, AK, MO, KS, VT etc. (no CCW required where you live - where you spend 95% of your life), and then obtain a Florida Non-resident CCW license, online/US Mail @ $90.00 for 7 years. Good in 32 states. No initial or anual qualification required. Must have either an approved CCW course certificate or a DD Form 214 with honorable discharge. Florida expedites permit processing for veterans.

 

[safearm]

In Mississippi, no requirement for classroom. Courses of fire are defined by BLEOST; must fire the 50 round duty course. Take a picture of score sheet and target, get a new sticker for the ID card. Good for another year. No requirement to "list" gun, but always put make/model/serial # on target with name.

 

[The Big D]

Night fire, too.

The great state of Maryland requires LEOSA quals to be the same as that for off-duty personnel. That means there is a 'night' fire component, too.

Typical 'day' is a two hour or so legal update/safety review followed by a written test. Then to the range. 3,7,15,and 25 yards for 'day' course of fire. 50 rounds; timed fire with facing targets. Strong hand only, weak hand only, kneeling, barricade, etc. Usually done is 4 hours or so.

'Night' course is 30 rounds; no 25 yard line. 'Night' is accomplished by shooters wearing welding goggles. Yes, makes it dark even in daylight at outdoor covered range where I qualify
at the Maryland Police and Corrections Training Commission Academy.

Because of time constraints due to the night fire component, shooters have to choose between revolver or semi-auto. Then can carry ANY revolver or semi-auto.

Be safe.

 

[SuperMan]

Here's an easy alternative to LEOSA (Although it does not provide nationwide coverage). Live in a constitutional carry state such as AZ, ID, AK, MO, KS, VT etc. (no CCW required where you live - where you spend 95% of your life), and then obtain a Florida Non-resident CCW license, online/US Mail @ $90.00 for 7 years. Good in 32 states. No initial or anual qualification required. Must have either an approved CCW course certificate or a DD Form 214 with honorable discharge. Florida expedites permit processing for veterans.

If you live in northern New England like I do one doesn't even need a license any more as Maine, Vermont and NH all have Constitutional Carry...that said a Florida CC License is useless as Mass., R.I., Conn., N.Y., and N.J. don't recognize it.

So if you just stay around New England as a retired LEO, LEOSA is a great thing....

Bob

 

[rbmac52]

When I went to work as a full-time sworn peace officer in 1979, I carried 24-7, out of obligation and duty to protect and serve my community. Ever since I retired in 2005, I have carried 24-7 to protect me.

I haven't a clue whether any of my former colleagues are as religious about their daily carry as I am. And none of them know how committed I am to EDC.

 

[Gundalow]

Also a NH guy. Qualify yearly with my local department, was the first retired LE guy in NH to get the NH State Police letter saying that I met standards under LEOSA (a dubious distinction). My main concern is the laws passed by some states prohibiting hollow points and limiting magazine capacity, as I am now subject to arrest under state law in those jurisdictions, despite meeting all LEOSA requirements and carrying the same pistol and ammo as when I was a federal agent.

 

[blues7]

Also a NH guy. Qualify yearly with my local department, was the first retired LE guy in NH to get the NH State Poloice letter saying that I met standards under LEOSA (a dubious distinction). My main concern is the laws passed by some states prohibiting hollow points and limiting magazine capacity, as I am now subject to arrest under state law in those jurisdictions, despite meeting all LEOSA requirements and carrying the same pistol and ammo as when I was a federal agent.

LEOSA protects you as long as you carry any federally legal ammunition.

1) the term "firearm"--
(A) except as provided in this paragraph, has the same meaning as in section 921 of this title;
(B) includes ammunition not expressly prohibited by Federal law or subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act; and
(C) does not include--
(i) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the National Firearms Act);
(ii) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this title); and
(iii) any destructive device (as defined in section 921 of this title);

This doesn't mean that the local police can't hassle you until your FLEOA attorney gets the matter dropped. But you are legal under the law.

 

[Gundalow]

LEOSA protects you as long as you carry any federally legal ammunition.



This doesn't mean that the local police can't hassle you until your FLEOA attorney gets the matter dropped. But you are legal under the law.

Thanks for your insight. Do you believe magazine capacity is something that I should be concerned about?

 

[blues7]

Thanks for your insight. Do you believe magazine capacity is something that I should be concerned about?

You're very welcome.

LEOSA doesn't (as yet) cover us on magazine capacity, so my recommendation is to limit yourself to the state requirement. I've discussed this matter in the past (at length) with the primary attorney from FEDS which offers LEOSA HR 218 insurance.

When I travel to NYC to visit family and friends, I therefore limit myself to 10 round mags.

(The law there is that unless you retired within the state of NY, LEOs cannot carry higher capacity mags. I worked there for the first few years of my federal career but retired from the job in South FL. So, c'est la vie.)

 

[Gundalow]

You're very welcome.

LEOSA doesn't (as yet) cover us on magazine capacity, so my recommendation is to limit yourself to the state requirement. I've discussed this matter in the past (at length) with the primary attorney from FEDS which offers LEOSA HR 218 insurance.

When I travel to NYC to visit family and friends, I therefore limit myself to 10 round mags.

(The law there is that unless you retired within the state of NY, LEOs cannot carry higher capacity mags. I worked there for the first few years of my federal career but retired from the job in South FL. So, c'est la vie.)

Again, thanks. While I spent 12 years in a NY Task Force, I retired out of Massachusetts so I suspect I'll buy a couple 10 round magazines for my Sig Sauer. (It appears counter-intuitive that retired LE would be limited in magazine capacity since we could quite possibly be the first responders to an officer in need of assistance or the first responder to a terrorist attack. But such is life nowadays.)

 

[blues7]

Again, thanks. While I spent 12 years in a NY Task Force, I retired out of Massachusetts so I suspect I'll buy a couple 10 round magazines for my Sig Sauer. (It appears counter-intuitive that retired LE would be limited in magazine capacity since we could quite possibly be the first responders to an officer in need of assistance or the first responder to a terrorist attack. But such is life nowadays.)

Happy to help. Just know the state law on mag capacity when you travel away from home and you should be good.

I keep up my FLEOA membership in case I need legal support in regard to HR 218. It's cheap insurance and I've been a member since the early 80's. They've done a world of good for us over the years.

 

[Palermo]

Ill add one little fact for VA- Normal retirement is 25 years, however, at 15 years you are eligible for early retirement and get your retired badge and ID with all carry privileges as a 25 year guy. But, the 25 year guys get to buy their duty gun for $1 (which is usually paid for by a friend). Same yearly qual which is more of a luncheon for the old timers hahahah.