A friend of mine wants to purchase a pistol, so I offered to meet her at a nearby gun shop to look around. I've been to this store numerous times and have looked at quite a few firearms there, but I had an uncomfortable experience today. My friend was interested in a pistol with a rail mounted light and, after checking it, he handed it to her. No problem there. After he took it back, he was explaining the function of the light and pointed the pistol straight at me while demonstrating the use of the light. I haven't been shooting for very long, but one thing I do know is you never point a gun, loaded or unloaded, at something or someone you don't intend to destroy. Has anyone else ever encountered this? I can understand an inadvertent sweep across as it's being handed back and forth, but this thing was aimed straight at my chest.
Uncomfortable Gun Shop Experience
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grub348
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Gun shop or not, when some-one deliberately points a fire-arm at you in Michigan that's a felonious assault. I would immediately call him out on that , talk to his supervisor, and then gave him a boot-ride he would not forget. The Age of Morons is upon us.....
NFrameFred
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Like many other examples of questionable behavior these days, it is simply unacceptable to anyone with common sense.
Like many other examples of questionable, unacceptable behavior these days, many with common sense and manners have been conditioned to refrain from immediately dressing down such a clueless in-duh-vidual because they're afraid of being perceived as "one of those" 'red-neck' fanatics.
People get away with acting like total morons in public because . . . the public tolerates it. I thank the good Lord I was raised better and in simpler times. Calling a spade a spade has gotten me in trouble more than once, even here on this board. Say what you mean and mean what you say - no one has any problem understanding where you stand on an issue.
If, when and until society as a whole decides that certain behaviors are not acceptable, we will get more of the same and worse. In an effort to be 'inclusive' and 'not offend anyone' many gun owners neglect to call out those who are not intelligent enough or have enough common sense to be part of that fraternity. Plurality is the slow death of this society and does not serve the cause of personal freedom and firearms ownership.
Like many other examples of questionable, unacceptable behavior these days, many with common sense and manners have been conditioned to refrain from immediately dressing down such a clueless in-duh-vidual because they're afraid of being perceived as "one of those" 'red-neck' fanatics.
People get away with acting like total morons in public because . . . the public tolerates it. I thank the good Lord I was raised better and in simpler times. Calling a spade a spade has gotten me in trouble more than once, even here on this board. Say what you mean and mean what you say - no one has any problem understanding where you stand on an issue.
If, when and until society as a whole decides that certain behaviors are not acceptable, we will get more of the same and worse. In an effort to be 'inclusive' and 'not offend anyone' many gun owners neglect to call out those who are not intelligent enough or have enough common sense to be part of that fraternity. Plurality is the slow death of this society and does not serve the cause of personal freedom and firearms ownership.
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This kind of behavior is totally unacceptable, and I believe the vast majority of people here on the Forum would never do that. However, as we all know, not everyone is trained like we are. Not to excuse this behavior, but that would explain it.
What I would have done is duck, and then very loudly proclaim "you pointed a gun at me, STOP!!!!". The embarrassment alone would have an effect, and it would get the attention of everyone in the store. I guarantee, the idiot would remember it.
Then I would have a serious talk with his boss, assuming it was a store employee.
Jim
What I would have done is duck, and then very loudly proclaim "you pointed a gun at me, STOP!!!!". The embarrassment alone would have an effect, and it would get the attention of everyone in the store. I guarantee, the idiot would remember it.
Then I would have a serious talk with his boss, assuming it was a store employee.
Jim
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agree, and would add....
I was in a shop about 15 years ago when the guy behind the counter not only pointed a gun at a customer while making a point on aiming, he actually set it off and hit the customer-thankfully, in the leg. things got real exciting after that. bottom line is educated gun folks don't point guns at people ever--unless they mean to use it.
I was in a shop about 15 years ago when the guy behind the counter not only pointed a gun at a customer while making a point on aiming, he actually set it off and hit the customer-thankfully, in the leg. things got real exciting after that. bottom line is educated gun folks don't point guns at people ever--unless they mean to use it.
Earlier this month I took my 28-2 to a local gun show. A dealer there wanted to have a look, so I popped open the cylinder and handed the gun to him. He shut the cylinder and gave the revolver a thorough looking-over, but when he stopped he had it pointing right at my chest. He was in the middle of a sentence when I barked "Do you mind not pointing my gun at me??" in a loud voice. He then flipped the cylinder open and said, "Have a look here", whereupon I snatched my gun out of his hand. The dealer looked insulted but I didn't care. Dummy must have forgotten RULE #1..
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Its never ok to aim a gun at a person unless you plan to use it to defend your self. What he did shows a total lack of respect for firearms in general. I would contact the owner of the shop I know if it was my shop I would wanna know.
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Some people are just Stupid.
When I lived In California in Ventura County. A good friend of mine That left the company opend a gun shop called the California Rifleman in Ventura CA.On a visit he showed me a bullet hole in the ceiling that had gone all the way through the roof. He said a guy came in to try and put a 1911 on consignment and was working the slide with out checking the barrel. My friend Jeff West advised him very strongly not to wave the pistol around and just when he said "It's not loaded" Bang! The pistol went off and the small store front cleared out in seconds. Jeff drew on him with his 586 2.5 inch .357 which I now own and asked him to lay the pistol on the counter while pointing it in a safe direction. Aside from that, the only thing that Jeff remembered that was funny was,there were two Navy pilots from Point Magu checking out some holsters off the wall displays and Jeff remembers seeing them bolt out the door like Carl Lewis in the 100 yrd dash. They never came back to the store ever. And neither did the bafoon.
When I lived In California in Ventura County. A good friend of mine That left the company opend a gun shop called the California Rifleman in Ventura CA.On a visit he showed me a bullet hole in the ceiling that had gone all the way through the roof. He said a guy came in to try and put a 1911 on consignment and was working the slide with out checking the barrel. My friend Jeff West advised him very strongly not to wave the pistol around and just when he said "It's not loaded" Bang! The pistol went off and the small store front cleared out in seconds. Jeff drew on him with his 586 2.5 inch .357 which I now own and asked him to lay the pistol on the counter while pointing it in a safe direction. Aside from that, the only thing that Jeff remembered that was funny was,there were two Navy pilots from Point Magu checking out some holsters off the wall displays and Jeff remembers seeing them bolt out the door like Carl Lewis in the 100 yrd dash. They never came back to the store ever. And neither did the bafoon.
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I wouldve flipped my lid. What a moron!!!
MSgt G
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Completely unacceptable! I suggest you call and speak to the owner right away.
CelticSire
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I have a very simple rule. You point a gun at me, I point mine at you. Yours may or may not be loaded, mine definitely is. I may not be able to fix stupid, but I can darn sure cure it.
Gun stores, which hire minimum wage individuals with no background in firearms are asking for problems. My most paranoid time is at gun shows. As much as I enjoy gun shows, I am constantly on the alert for someone pointing a gun in the wrong direction. Have any of you NOT been at a gun show at some time in your past when a gun was discharged? Instant quiet, followed shortly by someone being escorted out of the building.
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Of course it is unacceptable, and in a situation like that I believe immediate action is required.
What action to take? -- What I have done in a similar situation is to make an immediate and large sidestep to put myself out of the direction of the muzzle which is objective #1. The abrupt move also immediately conveyed the message quite clearly to the offending person. The gun was put down followed by profuse apologies which I accepted.
ps. When the pistol was handed to her did she inspect it to ensure it was in fact not loaded? Just wondering... (no bearing on the above).
What action to take? -- What I have done in a similar situation is to make an immediate and large sidestep to put myself out of the direction of the muzzle which is objective #1. The abrupt move also immediately conveyed the message quite clearly to the offending person. The gun was put down followed by profuse apologies which I accepted.
ps. When the pistol was handed to her did she inspect it to ensure it was in fact not loaded? Just wondering... (no bearing on the above).
Requires vigilance
-I experienced a state certified CCW instructor (no less) pull out a M29-empty it (!!!) close it-then hand it to me butt first-and state "Ok now hold this on me like you would if you caught me in you house" -Of course I refused to touch it-told him to put it away-and stop pointing it at himself, and the class. Later, as he told the student firing line to pick up their guns and load them-he was out front of the firing line-so now I'm yelling cease fire. Afterwards he told me I'm picky. So now I'm a picky NRA instructor. And yes I reported it-
-I experienced a state certified CCW instructor (no less) pull out a M29-empty it (!!!) close it-then hand it to me butt first-and state "Ok now hold this on me like you would if you caught me in you house" -Of course I refused to touch it-told him to put it away-and stop pointing it at himself, and the class. Later, as he told the student firing line to pick up their guns and load them-he was out front of the firing line-so now I'm yelling cease fire. Afterwards he told me I'm picky. So now I'm a picky NRA instructor. And yes I reported it-
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Be Aware At All Times !!!!!!!!!
thndrchiken
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I agree, I would have shouted at the arse to get the gun out of my face, if I was carrying I may have drawn on him and made him kiss the floor.
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For the situation described by the OP... pulling a gun on a guy behind the counter in a gun shop is a provocative move to say the least. If someone did that at some of the gun shops around here... Instead of remedying the one muzzle pointed at him, he may end up with several pointed his way from co-workers and customers... and some of those may go bang.
IMO, pulling a gun on someone is serious business... and best reserved for those times when squeezing the trigger meets the conditions. A sales clerk displaying a gun in a manner as described by the OP does not call for a double tap to the chest... so I would keep my gun holstered. However, observing someone pointing a gun in a threatening manner at a counter sales clerk would be another matter.
IMO, pulling a gun on someone is serious business... and best reserved for those times when squeezing the trigger meets the conditions. A sales clerk displaying a gun in a manner as described by the OP does not call for a double tap to the chest... so I would keep my gun holstered. However, observing someone pointing a gun in a threatening manner at a counter sales clerk would be another matter.
I agree and pulling my gun in that shop would definitely have been a bad idea. Quite honestly, I was simply shocked and it happened very quickly. I typically have my guard up more on the street than while in there looking at firearms. I suppose I learned my lesson.
To answer the other question, I don't believe my friend checked the chamber after receiving the gun. I did a quick check when he handed it to me though. It's become a habit and a good one at that. Problem is, that was after he had already aimed at me.
To answer the other question, I don't believe my friend checked the chamber after receiving the gun. I did a quick check when he handed it to me though. It's become a habit and a good one at that. Problem is, that was after he had already aimed at me.
