Unintended discharge with 9mm M&P Shield results in fatality.

[pmanton]

This thread made me reconsider my headboard gun. It's a Glock and I got to thinking about trying to grab it in the middle of the night and accidently getting a finger into the trigger guard. No more round in the spout. 20 years in the military service in RVN I'll jack A round into the chamber when I have it securely in my hand. My wife's headboard gun is a model 36 not too much worry there.

 

[LAA]

Key word above is "almost". Accidents happen in life no matter how many precautions are taken. To err is human, and we are all humans.

I am SO done with people saying, "Keep your finger off the trigger and you'll never have an AD". Nonsense! There are so many scenarios, e.g. - stuck clothing, startling under stress, slippage, etc. that can cause a trigger to get pulled. You (kannovaggen) didn't make this claim, but I'm just taking the chance here based on your similar statement to point out that being ever-vigilant will eliminate a lot of AD's, but not all. God bless this family who bears an unimaginable lifelong burden due to a busy/distracted Mom, regardless of "excusability".

An older thread, brought back to life.............

And I agree! I've been on this earth much to long to go along with "my safety is between my ears", as well "just keep your finger off the trigger". A bunch of everybody's running around with one in the chamber, sometimes a re-done sensitive trigger, and gloating about no additional safeties needed. Whatever! Just waiting for the big gunfight that may never happen. Every partial second counts, they say.

In the meantime, if you're jumped from a very close range, and a fight for the weapon ensues, then you might want a safety, or maybe not, depending who's got hold of the trigger at the moment.

As I said, I don't agree with the two statements I just quoted, and I'm sure plenty won't agree with me. Tough......

 

[zymurgeist]

Key word above is "almost". Accidents happen in life no matter how many precautions are taken. To err is human, and we are all humans.

I am SO done with people saying, "Keep your finger off the trigger and you'll never have an AD". Nonsense! There are so many scenarios, e.g. - stuck clothing, startling under stress, slippage, etc. that can cause a trigger to get pulled. You (kannovaggen) didn't make this claim, but I'm just taking the chance here based on your similar statement to point out that being ever-vigilant will eliminate a lot of AD's, but not all. God bless this family who bears an unimaginable lifelong burden due to a busy/distracted Mom, regardless of "excusability".

That's part of properly managed. Stuck in clothing, watch what you're doing. Startling under stress, finger off trigger until you're ready to shoot. Slippage, finger off trigger until you're ready to shoot. If your gun is functioning properly dropping it won't cause a discharge. Accidents will happen because people aren't perfect but they don't magically happen. It's always carelessness or ignorance that causes it. I've seen enough, and had enough, accidents from a variety of causes to know that.

 

[LAA]

Reminds me of a well written scene from "Justified". Sometimes one in the chamber is a good thing! The big bad ex-marine killer, goes to the drug house. The dealer makes everyone strip down to their underwear before entering through the door. This time, the ex-marine talks him out of the underwear thing.

As they're standing face to face, in some king of argument, the marine says "you don't have one in the chamber, do you?".......as the dealer is pointing a gun at him. The marine has his "chambered weapon" under his coat. Fear enters the dealers face, as the marine draws his gun, shoots him, and leaves with the money & drugs. Moral....be prepared.

I do like that scene! Even if I don't agree with chambered & no safety at all times.

 

[Sunsetview45]

I'm still waiting for my CC permit so I have no experience carrying. However, given that the number of tragic accidental shootings seem to far out number the number of times one actually defeats a mortal threat with pistol, I've already decided to never carry with a round in the chamber. I'm willing to take the chance of dying because I couldn't respond quickly enough, rather than risk a tragic accident that I could regret for the rest of my life (of course that is assuming my death is not the tragedy.) I keep a loaded magazine (secured and locked with the pistol) near by, but it is not going in the pistol in my home unless I am dealing with a threat.



Bottom line is I want a firearm available, on short notice, for home defense or carry - but not instantaneously available at the risk of a tragedy.



Just my 2 cents.

Totally agree with you! We are also waiting for our CC.


Sunsetview45 "I'm a girl [emoji151]" Smith & Wesson 9mm Shield, Sako Finnwolf VL63 243cal, Marlin 60 1982 model

 

[armallard]

Always one on the chamber depends on where I'm at about where the safety is at But I do know where its at al times.

 

[TAC]

In addition to securing the weapon.

Parents in general need to keep an eye on a 2-year old constantly! Guns are not the only dangers attracting their curiosity!

I raised two boys. I can't believe the irresponsible parents I observe every day! One of the absolute worse things is how they let them run through parking lots, between cars. They have the attitude it's everyone else's job to watch them.

 

[MassiveOverkill]

I'm still waiting for my CC permit so I have no experience carrying. However, given that the number of tragic accidental shootings seem to far out number the number of times one actually defeats a mortal threat with pistol, I've already decided to never carry with a round in the chamber. I'm willing to take the chance of dying because I couldn't respond quickly enough, rather than risk a tragic accident that I could regret for the rest of my life (of course that is assuming my death is not the tragedy.) I keep a loaded magazine (secured and locked with the pistol) near by, but it is not going in the pistol in my home unless I am dealing with a threat.

Bottom line is I want a firearm available, on short notice, for home defense or carry - but not instantaneously available at the risk of a tragedy.

Just my 2 cents.

This ^^^^^ How many 2 year olds can rack a semi-auto? My 10 year old certainly can't and neither can her friends. We're all human and relying on human imperfection is seriously flawed. I don't care how much training you have.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I'm still waiting for my CC permit so I have no experience carrying. However, given that the number of tragic accidental shootings seem to far out number the number of times one actually defeats a mortal threat with pistol, I've already decided to never carry with a round in the chamber. I'm willing to take the chance of dying because I couldn't respond quickly enough, rather than risk a tragic accident that I could regret for the rest of my life (of course that is assuming my death is not the tragedy.) I keep a loaded magazine (secured and locked with the pistol) near by, but it is not going in the pistol in my home unless I am dealing with a threat.

Bottom line is I want a firearm available, on short notice, for home defense or carry - but not instantaneously available at the risk of a tragedy.

Just my 2 cents.

There is generally a glacier-like crevasse between the arguments and justifications regarding the condition in which you keep your firearm at home, and the condition in which you keep your firearm on your person as you go about . . .

 

[epj]

Indeed a very tragic incident. I haven't been around small children in a couple of lifetimes. I am surprised that a 2yo has the strength to pull the long, relatively heavy trigger. Especially with less than a whole hand around the grip. Maybe they just grow kids bigger and stronger these days. Maybe I'm just out of touch with 2yo capabilities.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Indeed a very tragic incident. I haven't been around small children in a couple of lifetimes. I am surprised that a 2yo has the strength to pull the long, relatively heavy trigger. Especially with less than a whole hand around the grip. Maybe they just grow kids bigger and stronger these days. Maybe I'm just out of touch with 2yo capabilities.

What generally happens is a child grabs the pistol with both hands, with the muzzle pointing at them or in their general direction, and presses the trigger with both thumbs. Most of the time, the child is killed. . . .

 

[Kadonny]

This thread made me reconsider my headboard gun. It's a Glock and I got to thinking about trying to grab it in the middle of the night and accidently getting a finger into the trigger guard. No more round in the spout. 20 years in the military service in RVN I'll jack A round into the chamber when I have it securely in my hand. My wife's headboard gun is a model 36 not too much worry there.

In all reality though, is a Model 36 all that different than the Glock? Yes, the 36 has a longer heavier trigger pull....much heavier to get that cylinder turning. But Glock has the trigger too that helps prevent ADs (I'm not a huge Glock fan). So really in the middle of the night I would never say there is not much to worry about even with her revolver if you are grabbing in the darkness. One can AD a revolver too.

That being said, my nightstand gun is a 1911 in condition 3. Our bedroom is upstairs and we have an alarm, so by the time anyone could get up our stairs that 1911 will have one in the pipe. Carry gun I usually have a 642 in an IWB holster obviously loaded and I feel very comfortable carrying it that way.