Unlawfully disarmed?

[claherron]

Ran across this on my newsfeed this morning. I have a lot of feelings on the video what say you.

Warning: Infuriating Video. Veteran Unlawfully Disarmed, and Arrested. | The Free Thought Project

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[hatt]

He'll be dismissed as a trouble maker, getting what he deserved, by most.

 

[ladder13]

I was all set to post that video, but after the last few threads on OC, thought I'd hold off for now. Gonna be interesting around here.

 

[hoc9sw]

Idiot looking for trouble, finds it, where's the news in that?

 

[Road Rat]

Did any of you notice the man was arrested in June of last year??

 

[hatt]

Idiot looking for trouble, finds it, where's the news in that?

I know right. How dare these idiots walk the streets legally without expecting harassment and arrest.

 

[ladder13]

"officer" Hernandez is a real sweetheart. Bet she wishes she could have used that shotgun.

 

[hatt]

"officer" Hernandez is a real sweetheart. Bet she wishes she could have used that shotgun.

Good thing he had the camera.

 

[cyphertext]

Idiot looking for trouble, finds it, where's the news in that?

Whether or not we agree with his motives, he was not doing anything illegal at the time of the stop. He was on public property, with the firearm slung. I understand that the police were called so they responded to investigate. He is within his rights to not show ID if not being detained, or refuse to answer their questions. Officer Hernandez even said that no crimes had been committed, so there was technically nothing wrong with his actions. The outcome may have been different had he cooperated, but that is a maybe and can not be proven.

Where he messed up is when the police notified him that he was not welcome and needed to leave the property. If his car was parked on the property, he should have went to his car and left at that time. By leaving the property on foot, how did he intend to retrieve his vehicle later without trespassing?

 

[hatt]

Where he messed up is when the police notified him that he was not welcome and needed to leave the property. If his car was parked on the property, he should have went to his car and left at that time. By leaving the property on foot, how did he intend to retrieve his vehicle later without trespassing?

The police left his gun and ammo on the sidewalk. They had him set up no matter what he did. If they hadn't been JBTs the whole incident would have been pretty easy to resolve.

 

[cyphertext]

The police left his gun and ammo on the sidewalk. They had him set up no matter what he did. If they hadn't been JBTs the whole incident would have been pretty easy to resolve.

I agree to a point... They were unprofessional, rude, and there was no need to empty his magazine. However, they never gave him notice to leave the property until after he gathered his things and went back to get the officer's name. So he should have just got in his car and left at that point.

I know, Monday Morning Quarterbacking is easier than reacting as it happened to him... I hope it was dismissed.

 

[ladder13]

A bit unclear by whom he "was not welcome". Did the store/mall owners call and inform the cops he was tresspassing, or was it a citizen saying "man with a gun"?
I may have missed it.

So, at the 4 minute mark he was warned that basically he would be arrested if they deemed him a further threat. I think.

Then he wasn't allowed to walk a public sidewalk, or at least in the direction the police told him not to?

Forget for a minute how this all started, what was he supposed to do, surrounded by police with nowhere to go? He was already on the sidewalk retrieving his AR so how could he go back for his car?

Officer Rawlins and officer Young were somewhat cool and relaxed. officer Hernandez and that guy reciting the riot act at the 4 minute mark were a bit uncool, imo.

What's with the AR "registration" thing? Do they have that in Washington?

 

[cyphertext]

A bit unclear by whom he "was not welcome". Did the store/mall owners call and inform the cops he was tresspassing, or was it a citizen saying "man with a gun"?
I may have missed it.

So, at the 4 minute mark he was warned that basically he would be arrested if they deemed him a further threat. I think.

Then he wasn't allowed to walk a public sidewalk, or at least in the direction the police told him not to?

Forget for a minute how this all started, what was he supposed to do, surrounded by police with nowhere to go? He was already on the sidewalk retrieving his AR so how could he go back for his car?

Officer Rawlins and officer Young were somewhat cool and relaxed. officer Hernandez and that guy reciting the riot act at the 4 minute mark were a bit uncool, imo.

What's with the AR "registration" thing? Do they have that in Washington?

If you watch it again, you will see that he was given the speech about his actions, then he gathered his things and remembered that Rollins didn't tell him how to spell his name. He went into the parking lot, and at that time was warned to stay off the private property. He then left and started walking on the sidewalk towards the police car and the voice that told him to not walk that direction. At that point, he turned around, and started to walk the other way on the sidewalk, and then walked back onto the private property toward his car.

I bet after being told he couldn't walk the way he was headed, he decided that it would just be a good idea to leave... if only he would have thought that 30 seconds earlier.

Not sure about the "registration" thing either. If they didn't detain him, or arrest him, I don't think they should have been able to check the serial number of the rifle either. No probable cause to make them believe it was stolen.

 

[hatt]

I'm just glad we have people standing up to these criminals.

 

[hatt]

Looks like the clearly bogus trespassing charges were dismissed but he was convicted of displaying a firearm in a threatening manner or something like that. Hard to believe juries can be so stupid.

 

[GerSan69]

I got this "off the internet."
As a general rule, a person may legally open-carry in Washington state in any place it is legal to possess a loaded handgun, as long as it does not manifest "an intent to intimidate another or [warrant] alarm for the safety of other persons."
I suspect the "warrant alarm" part was an issue here, even if it wasn't articulated in the video. Since I didn't get a look at our guy, I won't say if that could be a consideration...but he certainly "alarmed" someone enough to call the cops, and "alarmed" the cops sufficiently to cause them to surround him with guns drawn. It's all well and good to apply a blanket "It's his right" to the situation, but we don't have all the facts.

 

[hatt]

I suspect the "warrant alarm" part was an issue here, even if it wasn't articulated in the video. Since I didn't get a look at our guy, I won't say if that could be a consideration...but he certainly "alarmed" someone enough to call the cops, and "alarmed" the cops sufficiently to cause them to surround him with guns drawn. It's all well and good to apply a blanket "It's his right" to the situation, but we don't have all the facts.

We'll never have all the facts in any case. You'll never be able to voice an opinion on any matter. Even on cases you're involved in personally.

 

[hoc9sw]

He clearly went out in public, weapon in hand, with camera rolling. That is enough to tell me he was trying to stir something up, and was looking to be confronted. He got what he was looking for. That's not exercising one's rights, it is trying to stir up trouble. I'm surprised it ended so well for him.

 

[hatt]

He clearly went out in public, weapon in hand, with camera rolling. That is enough to tell me he was trying to stir something up, and was looking to be confronted. He got what he was looking for. That's not exercising one's rights, it is trying to stir up trouble. I'm surprised it ended so well for him.

Are you saying they should have just shot him?

 

[hoc9sw]

Oh, come on. Of course not. But I've seen worse happen for less reason.