dsink
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I think you are correct. The 9mm conversion came out during WW II due to the Germans using 9 mm and battle field pickup ammo. Not sure if any were ever used though.
Unusal guns of Vietnam
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I think you are correct. The 9mm conversion came out during WW II due to the Germans using 9 mm and battle field pickup ammo. Not sure if any were ever used though.
kwill1911
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Developed for and used by the OSS.
redwood0_7
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Bow is left handed.
litenlarry
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I just thought of a weapon used in 'Nam...
The Chieu Hoi program, (Open Arms)..Leaflets were dropped over populated areas..The intent was to have VC turn in their weapons for a bounty..
Another program used by Marines, at least in Recon, was the "Kit Carson" scout..He would be a former VC or NVA that had switched sides..Usually one man going on patrols with the 6 man team...Our term for the scout was "friendly vc"..
In all seriousness, the Kit Carson scouts were very dedicated and they were very adept in noticing things the normal Marine might pass up..
The Chieu Hoi program, (Open Arms)..Leaflets were dropped over populated areas..The intent was to have VC turn in their weapons for a bounty..
Another program used by Marines, at least in Recon, was the "Kit Carson" scout..He would be a former VC or NVA that had switched sides..Usually one man going on patrols with the 6 man team...Our term for the scout was "friendly vc"..
In all seriousness, the Kit Carson scouts were very dedicated and they were very adept in noticing things the normal Marine might pass up..
Saigon1965
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Khong co chi Jim - Everytime I read the updates I get excited!
Very neat - Thank you for posting -
Larry - Have a read here -
Chieu Hoi Program - Psychological Operations
I wonder what kind of programs were/are we running in Iraq and beyond!
Very neat - Thank you for posting -
Larry - Have a read here -
Chieu Hoi Program - Psychological Operations
I wonder what kind of programs were/are we running in Iraq and beyond!
SWTIM255
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While not a "gun", I do think this was considered a "weapon"
Always found this article fascinating,
The Wandering Soul - Vietnam Psychological Operations (PSYOP)
Always found this article fascinating,
The Wandering Soul - Vietnam Psychological Operations (PSYOP)
kennymauser
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I was a C-130 Crew Chief in and out of Viet Nam from Sept 67 to July 70 This thread has brought back many memories, and the pictures and stories are outstanding. While I was stationed at Naha Okinawa 67-69, I was on a C-130 that got shot up pretty bad on the way in to Katum. We basically crash landed and were able to take off later after plugging fuel leaks in the wing tanks. I am always looking to see if I can find anybody that remembers that day. It was Jan. 1st. 1968 I will never forget that day and I saw the muzzle flashes that got us coming out of the jungle just off the runway.
Getting back to the original thread, I flew 40 Blind Bat Missions out of Ubon Thailand in late 1968 as a loadmaster/flarekicker. We flew over the Ho Chi Minh trail looking for trucks with a starlight scope. Once we spotted trucks etc. we called in air strikes and flared the targets. We got shot at nightly by 37 mm AAA, 57AAA and once by a SAM. Once we flared for a fort?/or whatever on the ground in Laos that was under attack. We flared till daylight and then had to leave for obvious reasons. The people on the ground we were flaring for (English speaking) sent our crew (Bat 6) some captured weapons for helping them get through the night. I was kind of shocked to see that the guns were one AK, two SKS's, and the rest were old bolt action rifles that looked like Mosin's and one Mauser 98 . There were 6 guns and there were 7 of us crew members so we drew straws. Guess who was the unlucky guy!!! While we flew we wore the mesh survival vests and carried 38 S&W's in the pocket on the vest! I also want to mention while I was in Viet Nam as a crew chief, (mostly out of Cam Ranh Bay), I saw quite a few personal weapons that I couldn't identify but I did see several Remington 700's with Redfield scopes. The weren't shiny of course, and I don't remember if they were ADL's or BDL's.
I hope I didn't bore you guys, but man, I just had to spill my guts---and it felt good.
Welcome back,
Ken
Getting back to the original thread, I flew 40 Blind Bat Missions out of Ubon Thailand in late 1968 as a loadmaster/flarekicker. We flew over the Ho Chi Minh trail looking for trucks with a starlight scope. Once we spotted trucks etc. we called in air strikes and flared the targets. We got shot at nightly by 37 mm AAA, 57AAA and once by a SAM. Once we flared for a fort?/or whatever on the ground in Laos that was under attack. We flared till daylight and then had to leave for obvious reasons. The people on the ground we were flaring for (English speaking) sent our crew (Bat 6) some captured weapons for helping them get through the night. I was kind of shocked to see that the guns were one AK, two SKS's, and the rest were old bolt action rifles that looked like Mosin's and one Mauser 98 . There were 6 guns and there were 7 of us crew members so we drew straws. Guess who was the unlucky guy!!! While we flew we wore the mesh survival vests and carried 38 S&W's in the pocket on the vest! I also want to mention while I was in Viet Nam as a crew chief, (mostly out of Cam Ranh Bay), I saw quite a few personal weapons that I couldn't identify but I did see several Remington 700's with Redfield scopes. The weren't shiny of course, and I don't remember if they were ADL's or BDL's.
I hope I didn't bore you guys, but man, I just had to spill my guts---and it felt good.
Welcome back,
Ken
kennymauser
Member
I have heard about that operation, but not in such detail. Thanks for posting it! I flew on C-130's a few times out of Ubon Thailand on a mission called Frantic Goat missions. When the winds /weather was just right, a plane would fly over Laos,Cambodia, and maybe parts of North Viet Nam , throw thousands of leaflets out hopefully convincing the people to turn themselves in /surrender . They were called Chu Hoi leaflets. I know I spelled that wrong. I think they were also dropped out over South Vietnam also. We flew at 10,000 + feet with the ramp and doors open and sucked oxygen when necessary! It was hard work and colder than hell up there!!!
Any of you guys bring home any of those leaflets?
Ken
MrTrolleyguy
US Veteran
Is that a shoulder holster you are wearing? What did you carry?
Not boring at all. I do have a soft spot in my heart for C-130 crews having been a Combat Controller, then an Aerial Porter at Pope, Rhein-Main, and then McChord AFB from 1971-91.
Thank you for your service.
Saigon1965
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Saigon1965
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I brought home one that has a photo of a large group of Chieu Hoi folks. The leaflet is now with my oldest child along with a bring back Russian SKS.
Saigon1965
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Oh my! May I see some pictures please - I have some bring back Chinese but no Russian -
Here's one of them -
Anyone one of these sir?
Here's one of them -
Anyone one of these sir?
MrTrolleyguy
US Veteran
I just got finished talking to my brother about this thread. He was in Vietnam while I was under a mountain in West Germany. He carried an M16 but the CO carried a grease gun.
Since 1967 he told the family he spent all his time in country on top of a hill at a big fire support base and did not see much action. He was protecting my parents from worry.
Tonight, after 45 years, I started to hear the real story. He was an Lt FO and would spent at times 30 days in the field with a Battalion on Montagnard Troops. One interesting thing he said was that their cadre took care of disciple problems themselves. Not following orders resulted in having your weapon (a carbine) taken away from you. You would be then told to go home. That could be 60 or 100 clicks. They would be given two hand grenades. That was it.
There was one other thing we had talked about before tonight, that was that he spent time in Laos ahead of a big incursion. He radio man did not make it back alive but that was b/c of something he drank. It got a hairy on those patrols I know. Did not share anything else until tonight. He said I got him going and that he heard that this was a part of the healing process.
I had to wait until he was ready to talk about these things.
Joe
Since 1967 he told the family he spent all his time in country on top of a hill at a big fire support base and did not see much action. He was protecting my parents from worry.
Tonight, after 45 years, I started to hear the real story. He was an Lt FO and would spent at times 30 days in the field with a Battalion on Montagnard Troops. One interesting thing he said was that their cadre took care of disciple problems themselves. Not following orders resulted in having your weapon (a carbine) taken away from you. You would be then told to go home. That could be 60 or 100 clicks. They would be given two hand grenades. That was it.
There was one other thing we had talked about before tonight, that was that he spent time in Laos ahead of a big incursion. He radio man did not make it back alive but that was b/c of something he drank. It got a hairy on those patrols I know. Did not share anything else until tonight. He said I got him going and that he heard that this was a part of the healing process.
I had to wait until he was ready to talk about these things.
Joe
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shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
You're lucky he finally told you some of it. My dad would never talk about Omaha Beach. At all. I think that may have been to protect my mother.
Saigon1965
Member
Sir - I have chills reading this - I've never talked to my dad about much of the war - To me it was just something normal everyday thing to see guns and men about with guns -
He has written a memoir and I'll read it one day when he's ready for me to read it -
Thank you and welcome home Brother of MrTrolleyguy -
Luong / Saigon1965 -
He has written a memoir and I'll read it one day when he's ready for me to read it -
Thank you and welcome home Brother of MrTrolleyguy -
Luong / Saigon1965 -
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EldoEsq
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Absolutely unbelievable thread...have read every post...have learned more here than in 19 years of school!!!
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Hi Camster - That was very early on in the war - Lots of clandestine ops -
Damn apes! It wasn't enough that we have to worry about the human shooters but on top of that!
Look at all these funky little things -
Our fellas had them - Well the VC went and copied it too!
Some sort of single shot stuff here -
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Gentlemen - What would we be able to make in our "jungle workshop" if we are in the VC's shoes?
He's only told me that his work wasn't always within Viet Nam.With his very young enlistment,his early discharge,I think that he was back home before turning 20.
The Chieu Hoi leaflet I had had a group photo of a bunch of folks who had decided to switch sides. The bring back SKS I had had a lot of "character". It had been discovered along with 74 others when an artillery round had revealed a cache. I was tasked with a first light VR near FB Airborne, on the edge of the A Shau Valley, the morning after they had been overrun. I spotted the hole with exposed rice and guided a patrol to the area. The troopers were nice enough to tag one of the rifles for me. After getting a G-2 ok, I obtained a RVN Firearms Export License. When going through customs, the customs inspector took the rifle out of the case, shouldered it and dry fired it. When I told him that the paperwork was attached to the barrel, he indicated that he didn't need to see it. He was fascinated with it (wow, have times changed). I carried the rifle in a cheap case through all the airports until I got to my hometown. Maybe that's why I never got spit on!Oh my! May I see some pictures please - I have some bring back Chinese but no Russian -
Here's one of them -
Anyone one of these sir?
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