Update Sigma Trigger job

[doc540]

is it still safe to carry this gun with a lighter trigger pull since that is the only safety. or is it just a little smoother pull?

It's smoother, not lighter.

confirmed this with my digital trigger gauge, so you know it has to be accurate.

 

[scottaschultz]

is it still safe to carry this gun with a lighter trigger pull since that is the only safety. or is it just a little smoother pull?

How can I say this politely? Well, maybe I can't! The gun already has a built-in safety. It can be found between your ears! Your finger should NEVER be on the trigger unless you intend to fire the gun. If you need a mechanical device to make sure you do not fire your weapon at the wrong time, well then maybe you shouldn't be carrying a gun!

Scott

 

[doc540]

How can I say this politely? Well, maybe I can't! The gun already has a built-in safety. It can be found between your ears! Your finger should NEVER be on the trigger unless you intend to fire the gun. If you need a mechanical device to make sure you do not fire your weapon at the wrong time, well then maybe you shouldn't be carrying a gun!

Scott

That's true, but different carry situations for different people might affect just how "safe" a gun's design is.

As a "truck gun", I appreciate the heavy trigger weight of a SIGMA since I'll be drawing it from a concealed position inside the vehicle.

I know where my finger's supposed to be, but a 10lb trigger in that situation is safer, to me, than..say...a 3lb trigger.

 

[cdj588]

exactly. its not that i dont know what i am doing. its the fact the only safety on the gun is being lightened.

 

[scottaschultz]

A safety is (theoretically) meant to prevent the gun from being fired unintentionally or accidentally. The heavy trigger pull is not meant to do either of these things. A true safety on a gun is something you have to engage to make the gun inoperable and disengage to make it operable and even those could fail so you should never rely on any safety for making a gun inoperable.

The bottom line is that there is NO SAFETY on the SW9VE or SW40VE at all... period.

Scott

 

[blastfact]

I would never carry my Sigma. NEVER!!! It's a HD, plinker. Nothing more. My carry when I do carry is a old .22 mag 4 shot wheel. It's tiny as can be and I will only pull it out if a attacker is close in. I won't John Wayne, High Noon or act like a LEO with a firearm. I also carry in felony mode. I see no good reason to have go through all the legal socialist big brother crap to protect myself when needed.

 

[scottaschultz]

I don't carry my Sigma either, but it is only because it is bigger than I prefer to carry, not because I do not think it is unsafe. It is my primary HD gun. I bought it specifically because it did not have a mechanical safety.

Scott

EDIT: to ronlovell -
I hate to be critical of your suggestion, especially since I did send my SW9VE to LSG and am very pleased with the results, but the FIRST thing anyone needs to do before sending your Sigma in to LSG is call them! I can not speak for Frank Smith, but I am pretty sure he does not want his FedEx account number openly published on the Internet and having you tell people to just send in their gun.

My advice (which is worth exactly what it cost you - $0.00) would be to at least edit your post and remove his account number. Frank will very willingly give people the number AFTER he agrees to take in your gun.

 

[Bogie]

I sent mine in last week. It will be here tomorrow. Trigger job, slide spring and bead blast for free! I wil let you know how it turns out.

 

[dondavis3]

Why the spring & blast?

I got mine back from the trigger job and it's much better.

 

[handejector]

"I hate to be critical of your suggestion, especially since I did send my SW9VE to LSG and am very pleased with the results, but the FIRST thing anyone needs to do before sending your Sigma in to LSG is call them! I can not speak for Frank Smith, but I am pretty sure he does not want his FedEx account number openly published on the Internet and having you tell people to just send in their gun."


I can sure appreciate you looking out for someone's interest. Neighborly thing to do there.

Just to clarify: that's a direct cut-and-paste quote.

Frank posted those instructions on a public, online forum.

doc450,

Frank Smith contacted me and asked that the account number NOT be posted on the net!!!
I deleted your other thread with it already, so don't worry about that one.

If any of you have these instructions posted elsewhere, plese edit your post.
Thanks.

 

[Ogolden1]

FYI...

Regarding Frank Smith, the Texas S&W Authorized Factory Service Center Gunsmith doing the free trigger clean-up jobs.

As of TODAY, 11/13/09, he IS NOT doing them! Apparently, someone posted his or S&W's FEDEX account number (S&W paid for the roundtrip express shipping) on some gun forums and they had to shut down the account! He said today that it would be approx 2 weeks until he has the new account info. He is UNSURE if he can continue doing what he's been doing due to this!

I called Bolsa Gunsmithing (another S&W Authorized Service Center) which happens to be 4 miles from where I live in So. Cal. They said it WAS NOT covered under warranty, and that they charged $65 for a "trigger job" on a Sigma with a 2 week turnaround time. I brought up Frank and they said that they heard he and S&W were doing them under warranty.

So, I called S&W Factory - they said, "NO WAY" is an "action job" covered under warranty! The Sigma comes with a 10 lb. trigger pull - that's how it's designed! And IF Frank is doing "action jobs" as a warranty repair, then we may have to have a little talk with him!

So, it looks as though someone really screwed things up for Sigma owners wanting to get that FREE "factory trigger job"!

 

[Rick-F]

" So, I called S&W Factory - they said, "NO WAY" is an "action job" covered under warranty! The Sigma comes with a 10 lb. trigger pull - that's how it's designed! And IF Frank is doing "action jobs" as a warranty repair, then we may have to have a little talk with him!

So, it looks as though someone really screwed things up for Sigma owners wanting to get that FREE "factory trigger job"! "

It sounds like you contributed to the "screwed things up" situation with your call to S&W . . .

 

[Ogolden1]

It sounds like you contributed to the "screwed things up" situation with your call to S&W . . .

"Don't shoot the messenger!" The damage was already done. I'm just reporting the current news of the aftermath.

My call to S&W was prompted by what Bolsa Gunsmithing said and I wanted to find out the truth from the factory.

 

[dondavis3]

There never was a "free trigger" job - there had to be something wrong with your trigger..

As stated several times on multiple forums - you needed to have a rough / sticky / heavy / long / XXX / XXX trigger pull.

Whatever was wrong with your particular gun .. then they fix it.

S&W wants the Sigma trigger to be heavy and long.

People calling and asking for a "free trigger" job kinda didn't help keep it going and Ogolden1 I'm not talking to you - several idiots did it to several locations listed in the manual all at the same time.

If you have a problem with the trigger on your Sigma, they will probably do it again after all this blows over ...
IF YOU ASK FOR IT PROPERLY .

S&W is a quality company with good customer service, but they are not dumb. Several customers asking for a free trigger job all at once just screwed it up.

 

[shawn mccarver]

Not trying to hijack your thread or anything but I was thinking about posting a video on youtube on how to do some trigger work on the sigma. It requires removing some springs. Should I post a link on here or just kind of let people find it on their own? I just dont want to get slammed on here from people who think only a gunsmith should do these kinds of things, which I am not.

Removal of springs and parts has been discussed before and it is NOT recommended as the way to a good trigger on the SIGMA. I do not believe that is how the S&W warranty repair station mentioned in this thread does the work.

 

[Joker84]

Removal of springs and parts has been discussed before and it is NOT recommended as the way to a good trigger on the SIGMA. I do not believe that is how the S&W warranty repair station mentioned in this thread does the work.

Thats funny because alot of people on here that removed the unneeded pigtail spring would beg to differ including me. Let me just say that if you are using this as a carry gun then I would recommend that you leave it alone, or at best, polish the internals. However, if you just use it for target practice then a lighter trigger can be a good thing.

 

[Ogolden1]

removal of springs ... I do not believe that is how the S&W warranty repair station mentioned in this thread does the work.

That's correct, based upon what Bolsa Gunsmithing told me. They are just "stoning", smoothing and polishing the sear and other trigger component surfaces.

From some of the posts I've read, the removal of the little "pigtail" spring is good for about a 2 lb. pull reduction. Many have said that pigtail spring was added by S&W as a way to make their trigger block slightly different from the Glock, which they copied.

After removing the pigtail spring, smoothing and polishing everything, you should have a very smooth pulling trigger that breaks cleanly with a pull in the 7 to 8 pound range.

 

[glockster157]

I sent my new SW40VE to Frank Smith for a trigger repair. He did his usual good work. From what I can tell, he did not do much polishing at all on the sear block. I have polished them myself before inside and out, but this one looked untouched. One thing he did do was take down the striker engagement slightly. This seemed to shorten the trigger travel(I kinda wish he hadn't done that part) very close to my G27 and G23. He got rid of the gritty feel which is what I really wanted. Shame he had to stop and a worse shame that he ever had to start in the first place. SW shouldn't ship then that way. My SW9VE didn't need a thing, except the pigtail spring removed.

 

[vhend]

I was going to pick up a Sigma but now I'm not sure. The trigger work was a must for me to go ahead and purchase one. I can't believe folks were approaching this thing so stupidly.

 

[Ogolden1]

I was going to pick up a Sigma but now I'm not sure. The trigger work was a must for me to go ahead and purchase one.

The Sigma is still one of the best bangs-for-the-buck in handguns today! IMO, it looks and feels better than a Glock, at HALF THE PRICE! It's very accurate, reliable, and MADE IN THE USA by a legendary American gun manufacturer that gives you a lifetime warranty. What else do you want?

Maybe you're a newbie ... I don't know, but, I get that impression. So, perhaps you don't know, but most seasoned shooters have their "actions" smoothed, polished, and lightened. It's just part of what you do when you get a new gun and break it in!

You can easily do this yourself with an emery board, fine wet/dry sandpaper and flitz.
There are a number of posts with pictures on this forum and other gun forums showing step-by-step how to do it - just do a search.