Used brass casing included with new revolver

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A friend of mine just purchased a new ruger. There was one spent casing in an envelope with s/n, twist, make, model, date of manufacture, etc. He heard three are shot at the factory: one casing goes to the state police, one to the fbi and the manufacture keeps one.

I would believe that the spent lead is sent to the state police and fbi for future identification. Anyone know about this?
 
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A friend of mine just purchased a new ruger. There was one spent casing in an envelope with s/n, twist, make, model, date of manufacture, etc. He heard three are shot at the factory: one casing goes to the state police, one to the fbi and the manufacture keeps one.

I would believe that the spent lead is sent to the state police and fbi for future identification. Anyone know about this?
 
New York and possibly Maryland requires NEW guns to be provided from the manufacturer with fired shell casings that become the property of the state once the guns are sold. NY requires registration as well.

It's a speed bump law to make sure that guns are not used in crime as we know CSI can match the gun to the cases...
 
They've been doing that in some states for a few years now. I thought it was limited to semi-auto pistols; it doesn't make much sense to catalog revolver brass - it doesn't usually get left at a crime scene like ejected semi-auto brass. Never mind that they've had only 1 match in all the time they've tried using this.
 
Yep, VERY expensive laws. Imagine the people who have to be employed to keep track of all that stuff.
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I agree this does not sound like accurate information.

However, make sure you save that spent casing since someday collectors on this forum will pay an extra $300.00 if you have the original factory spent casing in the envelope. Oops! You opened the envelope and "touched" the fired casing?!!

Ouch, now its only worth $125.00!

Mark
 
Originally posted by tom turner:
Yep, VERY expensive laws. Imagine the people who have to be employed to keep track of all that stuff.
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Yeah, and you know that sooner or later the next step will be to extend the requirement to ALL handguns, new or old.

Can you imagine having to pack up and cart all your handguns to the Sherriff's Office? After all, we know that you couldn't be trusted to provide cases yourself, you're probably a criminal!

Each gun would need to be fired by some bored county clerk, who has little knowledge of, and even less interest in, firearms. I can see them now, snapping the cylinder closed of my five screw Highway Patrolman, and scraping the barrel against the cinderblock wall as they prepare to fire six shots into the backstop. Oh yes, you need six for a revolver -- every chamber is different! Well, that one's done, toss it on the pile and grab another one. Oops! Did I spill my coffee on them? Hey, they pay me to shoot them, not to clean them...
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Every new handgun I have purchased in the last ten years came with a spent case. Since I purchase mostly revolvers, I am assured that on at least one occasion, a bullet properly fired from at least one of the chambers in my new firearm. To me it is no more than that.

I believe that this procedure was started in the Reagan era, through Bush 1, Clinton and now Bush 2. Personally, this is a tempest in a teapot, not anything I plan on worrying about.
 
Originally posted by mpmillen:
I agree this does not sound like accurate information.

However, make sure you save that spent casing since someday collectors on this forum will pay an extra $300.00 if you have the original factory spent casing in the envelope. Oops! You opened the envelope and "touched" the fired casing?!!

Ouch, now its only worth $125.00!

Mark
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I think I'll reload 'em.
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Those shell casings are required on all new guns sold here in Maryland. At the time of the original gun sale, the casing is sent to the state police supposedly for use in identifying a firearm used in a crime. Last I heard, they had solved a total of one crime using shell casings since the law went into affect, and at a tremendous cost to administer the program.
 
Originally posted by Jack Flash:
Oh yes, you need six for a revolver -- every chamber is different!
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It's the firing pin mark they use to identify the gun, not any cylinder marks. Like fingerprints, no two firing pins leave the same mark.
 
Here in NY the casings go to the state police. A couple of years ago I bought a gold cup trophy which did not come through with a fired case....my dealer had to take the rig up to
Ray Brook and let the SP fire off a few to get the casings.....what a way to waste taxpayers monies.......
 
Originally posted by jmorrell:
It's the firing pin mark they use to identify the gun, not any cylinder marks. Like fingerprints, no two firing pins leave the same mark.
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And then you break a firing pin or just replace it. I reckon that throws a monkey wrench into the whole operation! The big thing here a few years back was that the breach face leaves an impression on the brass surrounding the primer pocket, and that impression is supposed to be unique to the firearm. Until you swap out a slide, used reloads to commit your crime,(with the stole gun of course, there is no need for this step), or just keep some range brass handy to toss around the crime scene.

The whole thing is just one more piece of bullshit feel good legislation that some nimrod who knows nothing about guns or crime thought up. Total nonsense, and they know it. This is in the same league as microstamping of the firing pins with a serial #, the microstamping of every bullet base and the inside of every piece of brass with a number that registers it with the purchaser, etc. etc.

They keep passing this **** for one reason only, and it's not to help solve crime. It's to keep you and I from owning guns by making it impossible for manufacturors to do what they demand, and by imposing ridiculously high tariffs on all ammo and firearms to pay for these moronic do nothing programs.

When exactly do you think it's time to get involved with your lawmakers, and let them know that all f this is bullshit? You have no one to blame but yourselves if you do not organize and send a bazillion letters to these idiots. Not e-mails, real ink and paper with a stamp.

WG840
 
Agree 100% with WG840.

A little judicious work with file should change the signature of the firing pin, or just replace the key parts outright.
 
I hear stories of barrels of shell casings sitting around police barracks with no place to send them for storage and record keeping..

I certainly feel safer.
 
Originally posted by jmorrell:
Those shell casings are required on all new guns sold here in Maryland. At the time of the original gun sale, the casing is sent to the state police supposedly for use in identifying a firearm used in a crime. Last I heard, they had solved a total of one crime using shell casings since the law went into affect, and at a tremendous cost to administer the program.
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You are correct, MD, NY and CA according to the last tally I heard. So - the manufactures just include the case with every one they sell. Tremendous waste of time and effort.
 
They make noises in the state leg. every year in NY about extending the program to include used handguns as well as the new ones but so far that hasn't taken hold. (Let me run a few Blazers through your Custer era Colt SAA for the record
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There was even some talk of including long guns at one point.
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Never solved a crime either that I'm aware of. One gun was ID'd but that didn't help any cause it had been reported stolen some time before it was used in the drive-by shooting (no injurys).
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The state had an audit done of the CoBIS Program (that's what they call it here) a couple of years ago. The private firm that did it sent 4 or 5 examples of fired casing into the system through different LE agencys. The casings were already known to be on file so a match was supposed to be a simple matter. No matches were made on any of the test samples sent in.
Nice work...
 
Back in 2001', which was the last NIB purchases I made till this year, both the S&W revolvers I purchased came with the spent cartridge's, as did an autoloader. In 2008' the single NIB purchase I've made (S&W autoloader) had no envelope. Washington state, to the best of my knowledge, was never a state "requiring" documented spent cartridge turn in to L/E? Perhaps back in 01' everyone suspected it would be mandated and a given at some point no matter where they were shipped to, and started doing it as a matter of course? Now? Perhaps the original supplier was in a state that mandates it? Who knows? That's why it's so easy to screw up in the antler dance of regulation. 'Cause the regulations sure as Hell are different EVERYWHERE!
 
The cartridge cases are supposed to be entered into IBIS, the Integrated Ballistics Identification System. Since only a small percentage of firearms are used in crimes, by putting in all these extraneous cartridge cases, the result is to clog up the system. The only firearms that should be put into the system are those picked up in crimes. What the anti-gun people are doing is defeating the usefulness of the system. But then again, when have the anti-gun people ever been concerned about stopping crime, other than making all gun owners criminals.
 
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