USMA West Point cadets OD on spring break

[John_M52]

I worked with some SF guys who were in Grenada. After everyone returned they had to suspend drug testing for 6 months because the cigars the locals were giving to our guys contained a few extra leaves.

There seems to be a growing element in today's military that leaves a lot to be desired. No pun intended.

 

[Huskerguy]

I've never heard of anyone OD'ing from giving someone CPR.

I know fentanyl in patch form soaks into your skin, but even then it would be near impossible to actually OD from just touching a patch.

If it was mixed with cocaine and snorted up their noses, how would the 2 performing CPR have contact with it?

I understand fentanyl is so potent, just breathing vapors can be deadly. There are reports of law enforcement finding drugs laced with fentanyl and just handling a package triggers a reaction. It is nothing to mess with.

 

[lawandorder]

No. Surely no one would want thugs on ball teams, collegiate or pro.

 

[Doug M.]

Not the first time the academies have had problems of this nature, and it won't be the last. When recruiting is from the community, there is always the risk that the flaws present in the community will show up. There have also been problems in active service; the AF had a terrible time with nuke missile officers using drugs including acid at a base a few years ago.

We all want better from our military and other public servants. Most of the time we get it. We have had a couple of ugly incidents in trusted positions in other entities in my workplace during the last few years. One ended up as a firing and relatively low level prosecution. One just got a 20+ year sentence yesterday, which for my taste was not enough. Any of us who have had to be part of an internal investigation that reveals serious betrayal know how corrosive that is.

 

[AJ]

No. Surely no one would want thugs on ball teams, collegiate or pro.

Surely you jest? Have you looked at the NFL lately? And the colleges seem to have their share of folks that are bending the law.

 

[Mark 40]

Hm.
I‘m not intimately familiar with the West Point recruiting system, but there isn‘t any danger they might be recruiting football players as cadets who get a pass on other questions of character and suitability, like at private colleges, is there?

As far as academics, some potential football recruits may not have the grades to gain admission. To have a chance they can attend the US Military Academy Prep School for a year after high school to hopefully get the academic side up to par in order to gain admission. Known character issues would not be passed on. As a retired West Point employee my heart sank when I watched the news yesterday. Doug M provided some great insight in his reply #24.

 

[pittpa]

Any chance they were poisoned by people who don’t like military haircuts?


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[DWalt]

As far as academics, some potential football recruits may not have the grades to gain admission. To have a chance they can attend the US Military Academy Prep School for a year after high school to hopefully get the academic side up to par in order to gain admission. Known character issues would not be passed on. As a retired West Point employee my heart sank when I watched the news yesterday. Doug M provided some great insight in his reply #24.

For a fact the USAFA also has a Prep School.

 

[StakeOut]

I'll hold off judgement until an investigation into the matter has been completed.
We all know about rush to judgement in today's society.
Nicholas Sandmann
Jussie Smollett

 

[smoothshooter]

I've never heard of anyone OD'ing from giving someone CPR.

I know fentanyl in patch form soaks into your skin, but even then it would be near impossible to actually OD from just touching a patch.

If it was mixed with cocaine and snorted up their noses, how would the 2 performing CPR have contact with it?

The story did not say the CPR givers OD’d.
It said they were poisoned.

 

[AJ]

For a fact the USAFA also has a Prep School.

All the service academies have a Prep School, even the Coasties. I turned down a chance at the USNA Prep School, didn't want to be an officer when I was 17.

 

[AJ]

As far as academics, some potential football recruits may not have the grades to gain admission. To have a chance they can attend the US Military Academy Prep School for a year after high school to hopefully get the academic side up to par in order to gain admission. Known character issues would not be passed on. As a retired West Point employee my heart sank when I watched the news yesterday. Doug M provided some great insight in his reply #24.

All of the academies have had scandals over the years. Cheating, sexual harassment, drugs etc... They are only as good as the applicants that they get. And remember you Senators appoint these kids.

 

[Chubbo]

USMA Cadets

Cadets
Information, and facts about this sad situation seem few, and sketchy. The situation involves one of our most respected, and beloved branches of the US armed forces. It’s a hypothetical, situation at this point, so I’ll give my, terrible, nonpolitical, hypothetical, thoughts as to what the hypothetical, punishment would be. As this situation pertains to our societies' highly popular, illegal, dope, use and dopers, their punishment might be as follows; 7 lashes with a wet noodle, followed by 13 minutes of easy public service, followed by placing them on, a list of potential candidates, that might Champaign, for high public offices, using their beliefs, pertaining the illegal use of recreational narcotics.

Chubbo

 

[AJ]

Cadets
Information, and facts about this sad situation seem few, and sketchy. The situation involves one of our most respected, and beloved branches of the US armed forces. It’s a hypothetical, situation at this point, so I’ll give my, terrible, nonpolitical, hypothetical, thoughts as to what the hypothetical, punishment would be. As this situation pertains to our societies' highly popular, illegal, dope, use and dopers, their punishment might be as follows; 7 lashes with a wet noodle, followed by 13 minutes of easy public service, followed by placing them on, a list of potential candidates, that might Champaign, for high public offices, using their beliefs, pertaining the illegal use of recreational narcotics.

Chubbo

Sir, I hate to say it, but you are probably right.

 

[Secundius]

What in gods name were these kids thinking, or were they even thinking straight before overindulging themselves…


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[Sam McCord]

The cadets should have known better. Hope they recover. Bad judgement. Not a good quality for future military officers.

Ever heard of Mark Milley? He's the chairman of the joint chiefs and exhibits some of the worst judgement I have ever seen.

The new "woke" military is not what it used to be.

 

[Stevens]

I have to wonder what was going through the minds of the candidates who were passed over for entrance to the Academy for these guys to be accepted. That had to be a pretty hard blow!
Steve W

 

[Beemerguy53]

All the service academies have a few that should not be there.

One of my brothers was in the Maryland State Police, and spent most of his career at the barrack in Annapolis. The stories he could tell you about dealing with midshipmen...

 

[Beemerguy53]

Not the first time the academies have had problems of this nature, and it won't be the last. When recruiting is from the community, there is always the risk that the flaws present in the community will show up. There have also been problems in active service; the AF had a terrible time with nuke missile officers using drugs including acid at a base a few years ago.

We all want better from our military and other public servants. Most of the time we get it. We have had a couple of ugly incidents in trusted positions in other entities in my workplace during the last few years. One ended up as a firing and relatively low level prosecution. One just got a 20+ year sentence yesterday, which for my taste was not enough. Any of us who have had to be part of an internal investigation that reveals serious betrayal know how corrosive that is.

In our contemporary society, it's very challenging to find people who can meet the stringent requirements for a lot of sensitive and/or public safety careers.

Several years before I retired, which was in 2004, my agency was having a tough time recruiting applicants who met all of the following qualifications to be a firefighter:

* Eighteen years old
* High school graduate
* Valid driver's license
* No criminal record
* Clean driving record
* Able to pass the entrance exam
* Able to pass a drug screening
* Able to pass a physical exam
* Able to pass a background check

Basically, any kid who's graduated high school and kept his nose clean should qualify...but a lot of them don't.

One of my sons is a federal law enforcement agent, who has almost 12 years with a legendary federal agency. When he got hired in 2010, his agency vetted 16,000 applicants to fill just 200 jobs. Even given their extremely strict standards and no-fail mission, it's still surprising to me that so few people can make the grade.

Times have changed...

 

[Beemerguy53]

All of the academies have had scandals over the years. Cheating, sexual harassment, drugs etc... They are only as good as the applicants that they get.

I have no inside information, of course...but I'll be shocked if every cadet at each service academy doesn't get drug-tested when spring break is over.