USNCPC M&P

[ordnanceguy]

Geoff:

First, welcome to the Forum. You will like it here.

Second, thanks for posting the number of your USNCPC example. Sounds like a very nice piece. It likely shipped in the March, 1941 time frame. Does it have the checkered walnut service stocks with the S&W medallions?

On your V619862 can you tell me if it is a 4 inch, .38 Special? Any markings on the left top strap or butt besides the serial? Your guess on the ship date is pretty good. I would estimate shipping in the June-July, 1944 time frame.

HTH.

 

[geoff hayes]

Thanks for the welcome

Thanks for the date on the usncpc gun. It has uncheckered grips and one (right side I think) is numbered to the frame on the under side. I'm going to keep looking for a correct lanyard loop for this gun as it does not match the blued finish. I wanted to put a loop on it though and found a parked one at a gun show for $20.

The victory mod has a "p" on the upper left side of the frame near the corner of the cylinder opening. It is a 4" gun. it does not have an "s" in the serial number. I don't have it in front of me but I think those are the only marks other than serial numbers and frame/crane numbers.

 

[geoff hayes]

Lobo. I do feel like a bit of a thief but better me than someone else right! Honestly though, I will take care of it and love it where as someone else might have bought it for a cheap glove box gun so I look at it like I saved the poor ole girl. We found each other!

I love this gunshop though. It's messy and cluttered and you never know what you'll find if you poke around. I bought a nice war finish webly in 38/200 a few years back for $80 at this shop. It was laying on the desk in the office with a broken latch spring and no one knew where to get parts for it. Numrich had one for $13, and we lived happily ever after.

 

[geoff hayes]

Ordnanceguy, i miss spoke. The usncpc gun has smooth walnut grips but they are NOT numbered on the inside. The victory mod is the one with numbered grips. Are these incorrect grips for the usn gun?

 

[LOBO]

Lobo. I do feel like a bit of a thief but better me than someone else right! Honestly though, I will take care of it and love it where as someone else might have bought it for a cheap glove box gun so I look at it like I saved the poor ole girl. We found each other!

Amen buddy!!

 

[ordnanceguy]

Ordnanceguy, i miss spoke. The usncpc gun has smooth walnut grips but they are NOT numbered on the inside. Are these incorrect grips for the usn gun?

Hi Geoff:

Yes, the proper stocks for the USNCPC guns are the checkered walnut service stocks with small S&W medallions. If original to the gun the inside of the right stock will bear the serial number of the gun.

 

[onembtek]

another question about USNCPC

Hello everyone... New guy here...
I have one of the pistols described here... #7525xx.
There are no British proof markings or such, BUT the left side of frame is engraved, M.I. - 149.

Any idea what this indicates?

Thanks for a great forum! ~Larry~

 

[ordnanceguy]

I have one of the pistols described here... #7525xx.
There are no British proof markings or such, BUT the left side of frame is engraved, M.I. - 149. Any idea what this indicates?

O:

Welcome to the Forum.

Yes, I have a good idea what that marking is. Please PM me with the complete serial number and I will get back to you with my thoughts on the marking.

 

[jeff pauley]

Hi to all, I have a U.S.N.C.P.C. revolver # 759098 complete in every detail as described on the forum & would like Charlie to add it to the pre victory & victory model database.As I live in Australia it is a mystery as to how it got here, cheers.

 

[DWalt]

Now that we all know what USNCPC means, just what was USNCPC? This is about all I could find about it:

"Since early 1940 the U S Navy, as it expanded, was concerned with possible sabotage of naval and other key-military industrial plants. The current issue 1911A1 45acp pistol would be needed for front-line fighting troops. It was decided to create a Navy civilian police corps to provide security for these installations."

There is still a LE agency existing called the "Department of the Navy Police (civilian police)." I don't know if it is the same as the USNCPC.

 

[Springfan]

Original post 3 1/2 years ago. Change to 1944.

 

[ordnanceguy]

Hi to all, I have a U.S.N.C.P.C. revolver # 759098 complete in every detail as described on the forum & would like Charlie to add it to the pre victory & victory model database.As I live in Australia it is a mystery as to how it got here, cheers.

Hello Jeff:

Thanks very much for providing us with the details on your USNCPC revolver. Does it have any post-war markings such as the sometimes seen British proofs?

 

[Bamacuzn]

usncpc

I also have a S&W 38 spc with USNCPC on backstrap Ser# 757236. Was part of family estate, grips are not original but overall in good shape. Any idea what its worth?

 

[N_Frame.SquareButt]

My dad just gave me one of these as a Christmas gift. #7524xx. It has M.I.-121 stamped on the left side. Was told this is for the Mares Island Naval Station. Any idea if this is correct?

 

[LOBO]

Sounds like a great gift! Could you post a picture of it?

 

[N_Frame.SquareButt]

Here you go.

 

[ordnanceguy]

My dad just gave me one of these as a Christmas gift. #7524xx. It has M.I.-121 stamped on the left side. Was told this is for the Mares Island Naval Station. Any idea if this is correct?

What a wonderful gift of history.

The facility in question was known in WW2 as the Mare Island Navy Yard. Located in San Francisco Bay at Vallejo it was once one of the most important West coast naval facilities. It's name changed somewhat over the years and the Yard has been closed for quite a while.

I would like to add your revolver to the Victory Model Database. Would you please send me a PM with the complete serial number?

 

[Gunslingerr]

U.S.N.C.P.C

I have the chance to buy one of these pistols with the serial number of 7592xx. What is a fair value to these guns? it has all the paperwork to document it.

 

[Absalom]

I have the chance to buy one of these pistols with the serial number of 7592xx. What is a fair value to these guns? it has all the paperwork to document it.

It's hard to say since they don't come up for sale very often. I know of one, lettered and what looks to be decent shape, that has been on offer for months at $1495 without any bites. There were only 3000 made, and the SCSW (4th) claims double to triple standard values, so that wouldn't be out of the ballpark.

But as with all such "book values", a gun is worth that amount only if someone is actually willing to pay.

 

[kwill1911]

I have the chance to buy one of these pistols with the serial number of 7592xx. What is a fair value to these guns? it has all the paperwork to document it.

Exactly what paperwork do you have? If possible, post clear pictures of the revolver and the papers.