USNCPC M&P

[ordnanceguy]

Is the serial number 756626?

Charlie

 

[cussedemgun]

Sir,

Ser# is 756266

 

[popgun]

The Austrian shipped guns were for the Austrian police after the war was over. We shipped them because the police were carrying mostly 32 and even some 25 caliber semis that were considered not useful for police service. So we sent them Smiths, the police were not very grateful, they dumped the quality wheelguns ASAP and took up with any old semi auto they could find-they just were not used to revolvers. The person who initially decided that they needed new guns was alleged to have been General Patton, and given his gun interest just might have been true. The same situation happened with the German police after the war was over, they just could not abide revolvers and found any old semi auto to take the place of S&W revolvers.

I don't know about Aussie Police but I have a Aussie military marked Victoty and holster, so they were sent some.

popgun

 

[ordnanceguy]

Sir, Ser# is 756266

Thank you, cussedemgun.

From the Pre-Victory and Victory Model Database, which my pal LWCmdr45 and I maintain, I can tell you that your revolver was likely shipped from the factory in the March, 1941 time frame.

You got a bargain on it because of the seller's error in mis-describing it. The USNCPC guns are very scarce in any condition.

We appreciate your data contribution for the Database.

Regards,
Charlie Flick
S&WCA #729
NRA Life
S&WHF Member

 

[Skywagon4]

Have s&w model 10, 38spl, 4"bbl, backstrap marked USNCPC, serial 758298, british proofs, lanyard swivel on butt. Was glad to find out what the letters mean, got gun in 60s , wrote the gun report about the letters, was told to send a pic! Also have K22 marked RCMP Aux, beautiful gun, cant beat s and w for quality. Mike Gillespie

 

[Skywagon4]

I have one of these usncpc 38 spls too, same as photo except grips plain. serial 758298

 

[BEACH350Z44]

This is my first time here.
I too have a 1905 "38 S&W Special Ctg". Marked U.S.N.C.P.C on the back strap.
And it has the same British "Proof Marks" as yours. There is a stamp on the butt (only half the stamp shows - bad stamp job) A circle with the word AID in it along with part of another word that I can't decipher.
So it must have been part of the "Lend Lease" shipment to Britain. I purchased it about ten years ago from a dealer who knew the owner who had inheirted it from his father who was a Policeman in Cuba. So this piece has been around. The finish on mine is not as nice as yours.

 

[ordnanceguy]

Beach:

First, welcome to the Forum.

Second, the marking in the circle that you refer to is "AID/RFI". Send me a PM or an email at [email protected] (and leave out the NOSPAM) and I can fill you in on that marking and the ship date, if you can give me the complete serial number for inclusion in the Victory Model Database.

 

[BEACH350Z44]

1905 USNCPC

Also: My 1905 USNCPC is missing the lanyard ring. The SN is 759455.
I see these were shipped in lots of 300 duringing 1941.
Does anyone know where this piece may have been shipped too?
Thanks,
Dave

 

[BruceHMX]

Charlie here's another one you can add. Serial# 756279 sold at Joe Salter's last week. 4 inch, blue, lanyard ring, miss matched but correct grips. Photo is still up in his new arrival section. Take Care

 

[sw357nm]

Another USNCPC

Charlie,
I have USNCPC 748606. Came from Charie Pate. It is about 80% thinning blue.
John Hopkins

 

[sw357nm]

Charlie

Charlie Pate. Sorry for the misspelling.
John

 

[ordnanceguy]

Does anyone know where this piece may have been shipped too? Thanks, Dave

Dave:

Thanks for your email message with the serial. I responded with the likely ship date and destination, and some further details on the marking you asked about and the USNCPC guns in general.

 

[ordnanceguy]

Bruce:

Thanks for the tip. LWCmdr45 and I will have that info added to the Victory Database. We now have quite a few of the USNCPC guns in the Database.

 

[ordnanceguy]

Charlie,
I have USNCPC 748606. Came from Charlie Pate. It is about 80% thinning blue. John Hopkins

Thank you, John. We appreciate your assistance.

 

[KingSFO]

USNCPC .38 spcl

I have recently inherited an old S&W .38 from a family friend. It is in fairly good condition with the bluing only begining to wear off of the extractor. It contains the USNCPC on the grip and it has the lanyard loop, it does not however contain any British proof markings. The Serial number is 7488##. I was hoping you may be able to give me a little more history on this gun.
Thank you

 

[geoff hayes]

another for the list

i wandered onto this post while looking for info about a victory model i just picked up. for what its worth its serial #619862 looks like it was made in 44?

anyway. i too have a u.s.n.c.p.c. gun out in the vault so i went and got it. its serial #748863. it has no brit markings and is in a solid 90% cond. if it werent for a few light scratches from years of laying around it would be 95% there is absolutely no wear in the bluing. only bummer is when i got it the lanyard loop was missing so i picked up one at a gun show which is parked. here's the kicker....bought it at a local shop where they sell a ton of black guns covered in rails and plastic. guy knew it wasnt a victory mod but really didn't know much about it (neither did i). not being the kind of stuff they specialize in i bought it for $175

 

[LOBO]

i wandered onto this post while looking for info about a victory model i just picked up. for what its worth its serial #619862 looks like it was made in 44?

anyway. i too have a u.s.n.c.p.c. gun out in the vault so i went and got it. its serial #748863. it has no brit markings and is in a solid 90% cond. if it werent for a few light scratches from years of laying around it would be 95% there is absolutely no wear in the bluing. only bummer is when i got it the lanyard loop was missing so i picked up one at a gun show which is parked. here's the kicker....bought it at a local shop where they sell a ton of black guns covered in rails and plastic. guy knew it wasnt a victory mod but really didn't know much about it (neither did i). not being the kind of stuff they specialize in i bought it for $175

THIEF!! Just kiddin' ya' and Welcome to the forum!

 

[Goony]

only bummer is when i got it the lanyard loop was missing so i picked up one at a gun show which is parked.

Plenty of those still out there with the original case hardened finish, so keep looking. Sounds like a gun that deserves the absolutely correct part.

 

[Texas Star]

Originally Posted by AKAOV1MAN
The Austrian shipped guns were for the Austrian police after the war was over. We shipped them because the police were carrying mostly 32 and even some 25 caliber semis that were considered not useful for police service. So we sent them Smiths, the police were not very grateful, they dumped the quality wheelguns ASAP and took up with any old semi auto they could find-they just were not used to revolvers. The person who initially decided that they needed new guns was alleged to have been General Patton, and given his gun interest just might have been true. The same situation happened with the German police after the war was over, they just could not abide revolvers and found any old semi auto to take the place of S&W revolvers.


I don't know about Aussie Police but I have a Aussie military marked Victoty and holster, so they were sent some.



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Popgun-

Read more carefully or get some geography lessons!

Certainly, Australian military and, also over the years, police, have used many S&W .38 revolvers.

But the guns referred to were for AUSTRIA, a country next to Germany, and halfway around the world from AUSTRALIA and speaking a different language.

You are not the only one to make this error. I tried a few years ago to send a couple of books to a friend in Austria, and the postal clerk told me that there were no post offices in AUSTRALIA. This idiot (I'd better not describe her further) had never heard of Austria, and was badly informed about Australia. Both are highly developed nations and both have excellent postal services! Austria also has great concert halls and is reknowned for its strudel and Viennese coffee. There! But she had not heard of a city called Vienna, either, just the little sausages. She had heard of Arnold Schwarzenegger, but had no idea that he was from Austria.

I finally got her to check some references and got my books mailed. My friend got them about a week later.

I swear that this is a true story. It's just one reason why I avoid the USPS when I can. And most other US Govt. agencies...

BTW, your AUSTRALIAN S&W is probably chambered for the .38 S&W regular ctg., not .38 Special. Those were often referred to as the .38-200 model. They most often had five-inch barrels, but those made before April, 1942 were also furnished with four and six-inch barrels.

Now, after the war, both US and British authorities furnished extra revolvers to German and Austrian cops. Both the .38 Special Victory Model and the .38-200 were provided, depending on which army occupied that particular zone of those nations. The Bavarian Rural Police were one agency that received some, as I recall.

BTW, I think they were given these guns after the dust settled, having been disarmed following the German surrender. I don't think their having previously often carried 7.65mm autos was a factor, and certainly doubt that Gen. Patton had anything to do with the issue. If someone can prove that, it would be an interesting historical footnote. (One post here suggested that.)