Uvalde School Shooting Police Response

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Has anyone read about the incredibly botched-up police response to the Uvalde school shooting? Unreal. Cops stood around for 80 minutes without making any serious attempt to do anything to stop it. I'd like to hear some opinions from any cops here.
 
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Suspect it will quickly get political and closed
 
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May as well have stayed in their cruisers eating donuts. Ever since Columbine, where they also stood around, the standard order has been to go in and engage the shooter. Same thing happened at Parkland. Broward County was out in the yard listening to the shots. Dade County guys showed up, ignored the Broward chief's order to wait, and stormed into the building. By that time the damage was done.
Today the head of the Texas public safety office called it an abject failure. He isn't wrong.
 
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May as well have stayed in their cruisers eating donuts. Ever since Columbine, where they also stood around, the standard order has been to go in and engage the shooter. Same thing happened at Parkland. Broward County was out in the yard listening to the shots. Dade County guys showed up, ignored the Broward chief's order to wait, and stormed into the building. By that time the damage was done.
Today the head of the Texas public safety office called it an abject failure. He isn't wrong.
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I don't usually second guess cops. But if this is true somebody needs to lose their job.

A severe lack of leadership and/or training was displayed here.

While it's easy for me to say, I know I would have disobeyed orders and tried to stop the shooter. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't.
 
Between that and the treatment of parents trying to do anything, it's a rare occurrence that I truly hope there is an afterlife for these people. Unreal.
 
When I first went through the Police Academy the international stance on armed intruders and possible hostages was "Contain and Negotiate". This was a worldwide standard from Mental Health Suicidal Offenders Barricading themselves in a house, seiges, up to Terrorist Hostage Takers. During these types of sieges, armed specialist SWAT entry was the last resort.

Since the World has changed with Domestic Active Shooters and Active Terrorist Mass Deaths, "Contain and Negotiate" is no longer a plausible option/reaction for these incidents.

In my State where there is an active shooter, New South Wales Officers are now trained to enter the building and hunt for the offenders. First responding Officers are to form into four Officer teams to search for the Armed Offender/Terrorist and clear the building. Further to this, we don't have Patrol Rifles or Shotguns in First Responder vehicles. So these officers must go in armed only with their issue handgun.

I'm not sure what the training is in Texas.
 
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There is nothing political about individuals screwing up. (Or at least there shouldn't be.)

Individual police officers and their supervisors screwed this up. Other police in similar situations did not. You can't construct a conspiracy out of that.

Police are trained all sorts of things, but the importance of their own safety is one of the largest. Sometimes cops throw caution to the wind by making a moral choice to risk sacrificing themselves. Sometimes they do what they've been trained.

All the Uvalde officers survived. That's a win for those officers and their families, no matter how much they are reviled.
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You can't be serious.
 
As a local officer put it...
"You have guns and a ballistic vest... Do you know what the kids have?" ... "They have crayons"
" You disobey the stand down order and go in"

I kinda like my local constabulary.
I didn't always live in a place where I could say that.
 
Seems to me that the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing so nobody did anything. And then add the media trying to figure it out. 1st, the door was locked and they needed a key, now the door wasn't locked. The lack of a comprehensive statement from the proper authorities is quite telling.
 
The Chief allegedly said that no one told him that he was supposed to be the on-scene commander. I can hardly believe that excuse will fly. I have to believe that there will be numerous lawsuits against the city. I know that a group of the parents have hired one of the scumbag trial attorneys in San Antonio. One of those guys who constantly advertises on TV commercials. I don't know who he is going after. Maybe everyone connected, including Daniel Defense and the store where the kid bought the guns and ammo.

Has anyone else heard about the possibility of having some national legislation about tracking the use of credit cards used to buy guns and ammo? I haven't Heard how the Uvalde kid came up with $7K to buy the guns. That much would be tough to come up with as he worked in some fast food place.
 
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Every Dept, or those I know about, from fire to police to dog catcher has an Incident Command structure.


"Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said on Friday that Arredondo was the on-scene commander during the rampage who made the decision to classify the bloodshed at the school as a "barricaded subject" situation even as students inside the classroom with the gunman called 911"
 
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