jimbo728
Member
Ejection, yes. But kind of hard to reload a revolver muzzle up......
My reference was obviously muzzle up ejection.
Cant imagine taking it any other way. Of course charging is muzzle down. Hard to believe you thought that. DUH!
Jim
Valid range rule?
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My reference was obviously muzzle up ejection.
Cant imagine taking it any other way. Of course charging is muzzle down. Hard to believe you thought that. DUH!
Jim
ColbyBruce
Member
I believe you misunderstood the issue. The handicapped shooters had great difficulty getting set up properly; it was an unnecessarily cruel requirement from a club that willingly took membership fees from these folks.
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deadin
US Veteran
You specifically said muzzle up reload...... (Say what you mean.....
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deadin
US Veteran
I think I understood the issue quite clearly. The whole object of showing safe and moving behind the red line (or whatever color your club uses) is to remove the temptation of someone fiddling with their gun while someone is downrange. The last club I belonged to wouldn't even allow unpacking a firearm while there was a cease fire in effect.
smoothshooter
Member
I eject empties muzzle up, down, and horizontal, depending on the situation and my whims.
Always reload with muzzle generally down.
Always reload with muzzle generally down.
AManWearingAHat
Member
Some more rigid people follow the text of the rule and not the spirit of the rule. Its hard to ND into the air with the cylinder physically out of the firearm.
Or maybe even your toe, foot or leg! That’s that too. And I bet one would never have another negligent discharge after that!
In the last ten years before I retired a large part of my work was as an expert witness investigating and testifying as to the causes of transportation related accidents. Yes, there were a fair number of blockheads who were accidents waiting to happen. But the majority were people who were well trained, knew the safety rules and yet one time cut a corner, or forgot to look first, or was too busy thinking about something and forgot to set a parking brake and they, or somebody near them got injured or killed. The take away is that far too many times people are injured or killed in the workplace because they didn’t do something by the book.
The reason for strictly enforcing safety rules is that when people make exceptions, someone invariably gets injured.
Now to the issue at hand. When you take the NRA RSO class they teach fundamentals like muzzle and trigger discipline and explain what constitutes good practice. After that they teach one rule; the job of the RSO is to ensure all of the people on the range adhere to the rules established by the range. They also teach that the RSO can not change the rules on an ad hoc basis. The rule is the rule, and if someone is not observing the rules, explain it and suggest the shooter change. If there is no change forthcoming, then follow the established procedure for rule breakers.
The OP broke the established rules. There’s no discussion, there’s no dispensation because it’s the wrong time and place. As others have said, if you don’t like a specific rule, open a discussion with the powers that be at an appropriate time when rule changes are being discussed. Or the alternative, find someplace else to shoot their revolver.
Here’s something to consider, why would a range have such a rule? How about the possibility that prior to the rule a round got off the property and put a hole in a neighbor’s window? Interestingly enough I spent the early part of this evening at my club helping to present to the membership the plans our architect has come up with to implement no blue sky features on our rifle range. Guess what? we are going to have no muzzle up rules as well. Our black powder shooters will have their own stations where the ceiling above their stations will have steel plating.
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The reason for strictly enforcing safety rules is that when people make exceptions, someone invariably gets injured.
Now to the issue at hand. When you take the NRA RSO class they teach fundamentals like muzzle and trigger discipline and explain what constitutes good practice. After that they teach one rule; the job of the RSO is to ensure all of the people on the range adhere to the rules established by the range. They also teach that the RSO can not change the rules on an ad hoc basis. The rule is the rule, and if someone is not observing the rules, explain it and suggest the shooter change. If there is no change forthcoming, then follow the established procedure for rule breakers.
The OP broke the established rules. There’s no discussion, there’s no dispensation because it’s the wrong time and place. As others have said, if you don’t like a specific rule, open a discussion with the powers that be at an appropriate time when rule changes are being discussed. Or the alternative, find someplace else to shoot their revolver.
Here’s something to consider, why would a range have such a rule? How about the possibility that prior to the rule a round got off the property and put a hole in a neighbor’s window? Interestingly enough I spent the early part of this evening at my club helping to present to the membership the plans our architect has come up with to implement no blue sky features on our rifle range. Guess what? we are going to have no muzzle up rules as well. Our black powder shooters will have their own stations where the ceiling above their stations will have steel plating.
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ColbyBruce
Member
Hopefully, if you ever wind up in a wheelchair, various people will be considerate of your needs and go a bit out of their way to accommodate you.
Maybe I am dense, but that doesn't sound safe to me. If one goes off, it bounces back to anyone under that shelter. That seems far more dangerous than an errant round going straight up.
Rosewood
deadin
US Veteran
As I stated earlier, if I am ever in such a position and am left sitting on the line during a cease-fire and I start fiddling with my gun, I hope they kick me out.
ColbyBruce
Member
There was no handling of firearms by the disabled shooters during ceasefire at any time. It was blatant discrimination.
The roof is angled and is actually a sandwich of 2” wood ceiling and steel plate under the actual roof structure. It’s based on a DOE no blue sky design. We’re also talking structural steel, not AR500, with the idea to not necessarily contain the round, just slow it down sufficiently to make it non lethal. Since the down range direction abuts a wooded wildlife management area we don’t have to worry about a round going into a residence.
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Hank—I am curious, what thickness of steel plate are you using?
cadmike
Member
There is a range near me that runs steel challenge and they have the same no muzzle up rule. However, the couple of times I’ve shot with a revolver, I ask the RSO about it and he gives permission to eject with muzzle up, With the clear direction to “open the cylinder first”. I’ve also seen others granted the same permission, provided they ask.
Yeah, I bet that would work - you just need to let them know that you know what you are doing AND remind them that with an open cylinder you're as safe as safe can be.
I don't argue with the "their range/their rules" concept but something as silly as causing you to not be able to dump empties from a double action revolver cylinder is just that - silly.
I don’t know. We’ve only seen the architects renderings. The construction drawings are in process. My understanding it will dimensional, so greater then gauge thickness.
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jimbo728
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You specifically said muzzle up reload...... (Say what you mean.....
More like a silly misinterpretation, (deliberate) by you.
Being a little pragmatic lately?
I edited my original post so even you can understand.
Jim
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How close are they to occupied buildings? Direction of firing line? One club I belonged to for a short time had no particular rule, and a careless round from an 8mm Mauser was launched at enough of an angle that it penetrated a house wall 1 1/2 miles away and lodged in the floor of a little girls bedroom. Within 30 days the club was limited to handguns and .22 rifles, the membership dropped so much it couldn't be maintained and it was closed down. Rules are made for reasons.
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