Ammo dog2311
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Has anyone changed there barrel yet ? Was wondering if someone has sent there's to S&W for a new barrel or maybe an after market one. Anybody know of a manufacture who makes one?
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It is not as accurate is I want it to be so I guess you could say they bent it.
Hello, i honestly think a new barrel could only improve the accuracy to a point that the cost could not be justified, many other things come into play for accuracy, a good barrel is just one of them, and a semi auto is handicapped from the getgo, besides according to s&w the barrels are already match grade.pghrich
Afternoon Ammo dog2311
I sent mine back for an accuracy problem & S&W installed a new barrel, new bolt, & new springs. The new barrel had absolutely no effect on the poor accuracy as the gun came back shooting just as bad as it had before sending it in. Not only did it come back shooting no better but it came back with the trigger pull from hell (I had worked up a sweet trigger pull on it before sending it in)
I shot it for a while then sent it back again for both the accuracy issue & another problem. (3-1/2" to 4" groups at 50 yards). S&W says it is grouping normal so either they don't expect much from their 15-22 or they never shot it for groups at 50 yards.
It came back with the same inaccuracy issue (they did nothing this time) as well as the other problem not repaired so at the moment I am very dissatisfied with S&W's warranty repair as well as very dissatisfied with the S&W 15-22 in general. The only good part is it never jamms & shoots about any ammo, just very inaccurate @ 50 yards.
The cheap plastic receiver is so compliant on my 15-22 that just a little pressure on the grip or for-end drives the groups into wild patterns not even considered groups.
I have a 10-22 that I installed in a Nordic AR kit & that thing shoots 1/2" groups at the same 50 yards. I also have a bone stock dedicated .22 CMMG AR with nothing done but a trigger job & crown touch up & that thing shoots .60"-.75" groups all day long at 50 yards so needles to say the 15-22 sits in the cabinet as all it does is wastes ammo & continually misses a 2" disk at 50 yards.
Hello wolverine, you must have a bad one or i have a good one, i am assuming you are shooting off a bench with sand bags, i can easily get 2 inch groups at 50 yards with cci blazer all day long rested on sand bags, now offhand everything changes, but on a good day i can do a 4 or 5 inch group at 50 yards, i could not be happier with my 15/22, pghrich
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Boy, talk about comparing apples and oranges ... same deal for the accurized 10/22.
Afternoon Majorlk
Actually I was thinking it was more like comparing apples to a LEMON.
Afternoon pghrich
I would really like to see a 15-22 shoot (consistent) 2" groups. So far the ones that have shown up at my local shooting range haven't been able to do that. I have seen them be able to shoot a 2" group but not consistently. Heck I have seen my 15-22 shoot a 3/4" group but that is one in a hundred tries.
So you are telling me that you can take your 15-22 that has sat all night, then you can take a 50 round box of CCI blazer's & put all 50 rounds in a 2" circle @ 50 yards (bench rested of course)?
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I have read some people got good ones. I guess I am one of the unlucky ones. I have tried most every brand of ammo except expensive match grade ammo. I thought it was me so I grabbed my model12 f/ tr and went to the range. It's not me..i guess I will take a shot in the dark and send it in to S&W and hope I got a good one back.
Hey wolverine, did they charge you ? If so how much ? Did you consider changing to a free float hand guard ?
Hey wolverine, did they charge you ? If so how much ? Did you consider changing to a free float hand guard ?
Helloo wolverine. I have never really tried what you just said; I have always just shot 5 or10 round groups at different spots. But I'll tell you what; next time I shoot I will try that and report back with all honestly of course.pghrich
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Yup, do it all the time. That's using a scope and not iron sights, just to be clear.
Wow you must have the first one off the line. When was it born?
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/131112-latest-serial-numbers-15-22-a.html
Have any other long guns? You sure about it being 50yards
Ill give you 200.00 shipped for it. Then you have no more issues.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/131112-latest-serial-numbers-15-22-a.html
Have any other long guns? You sure about it being 50yards
Ill give you 200.00 shipped for it. Then you have no more issues.
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I can do the same.. just take a seat at the bench unload my bag and start shooting.
Morning Ammo dog2311
Yes, I have tried free floating the PRODUCTION plastic hand guard by simply removing the forward snap in cap. That actually made the thing shoot more scattered groups. I have also tried tightening the barrel nut. Have also tried removing the flash suppressor with not much change in the guns patterning of shots.
I have also tried re-crowning the barrel & playing with different magazines. Actually one of my magazines does seem to group just a bit better than the others.
I own a LOT of rifles & pistols & have been shooting since the early 1950's. It's not me-- not that I don't shoot an occasional bad shot but I can always call that shot as bad before it even hits the target. I have tried about everything I know gun-smith wise to make this 15-22 shoot & so far nothing has worked with any marked improvement.
I have accounted for about everything except the very soft & compliant upper receiver. That thing is so compliant that I can easily move the barrel in relation to the scope so at the moment my guess is my bad grouping is due to the soft plastic of the receiver allowing receiver /to/ barrel /to/ scope flexing.
On barrel cost? --No charge from S&W but they didn't do much either. I would be willing to bet no one at S&W took the time or effort to actually shoot the gun for 50 yard groups. Even if they did it didn't have a scope on it when sent in so they probably just bolted it tight in a fixture & that wouldn't show a true receiver flexing or compliance issue.
There are more than a few of these 15-22's that show up at my local shooting range & some of the groups that shooters claim they can shoot with their 15-22 are almost beyond belief. So far in every case none have been able to do it with me watching (makes me wonder!)
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Yep, mine will do it too! Scope, and bipod, 50 yds = 2", goes to 3.5"-4" at 100yds, and with virtually any ammo too, even with the dreaded Remington ammo!
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Good morning wolverine, sounds like you have tried everything.did you ask S&W to swap out the upper ? Maybe it's just a bad one.
It also amazes me that people say they shoot tight groups but can't do it when your watching. I am not saying everyone is full of BS but most are. If your goin to spout off about shooting sub moa groups like you were gunny hathcock then show me your trophy's.
When I was competing out in wester div. matches on the left coast, I saw lots of competitors shooting good groups in practice but not in the match. Some is saw, and lost to, shot better during the match then practice. I won't say how good I shoot till I can produce medals or trophy's. That's the only proof I need.
It also amazes me that people say they shoot tight groups but can't do it when your watching. I am not saying everyone is full of BS but most are. If your goin to spout off about shooting sub moa groups like you were gunny hathcock then show me your trophy's.
When I was competing out in wester div. matches on the left coast, I saw lots of competitors shooting good groups in practice but not in the match. Some is saw, and lost to, shot better during the match then practice. I won't say how good I shoot till I can produce medals or trophy's. That's the only proof I need.
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Not to worry, Im sure the aftermarket will come up with one and take your money.
Morning Again Ammo dog2311
Last time I sent the 15-22 back I suggested they look closely at the upper for being too soft & compliant. Apparently it fell on deaf ears.
In a follow up call to S&W tec support they basically told me that S&W doesn't guarantee accuracy so in so many words they politely told me that "it-is-what-it-is" & they can't or won't do anything further as far as accuracy is concerned.
If you read between the words it really sounds like basic lack of accuracy is an issue for S&W on the 15-22. If they only had a few that were inaccurate they would have addressed it with a return & proper repair. By saying they don't guarantee accuracy says a lot for the number of inaccurate 15-22's they must have out in the hands of shooters.
I suppose it is as much my problem as theirs as I knew the thing was very soft, compliant, & bendable before buying it. I looked at a few before buying & could move the barrel around in that soft upper plastic. I actually commented that I just don't see how it could be anywhere near accurate being that soft & having the barrel be displaced that easily. But it felt good when shouldered so I bought it anyway. I should have realized that if I could easily move the barrel around how could it ever be accurate & put all the bullets in the same spot on every shot.
The trophy thing as proof is a good idea as anybody can show a small group target. Heck I can show a couple of 50 yard 3/4" groups from my 15-22. That doesn't mean it can, it just means it can once in a great while. Or I could just shoot a 3/8" 25 yard group from my 10-22 & say it was from my 15-22 at 50 yards, who would know other than a guy that owns & has friends that have 15-22's & knows what they are or aren't capable of.
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