Want Recommendations for home safe

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I have decided to buy a safe for guns and coins, I am looking for something in the 45-60 gun range, around 1,200 pounds and 1 hour minimum fire rating. I will keep it in my garage.

I was looking at Champion, Liberty, Fort Knox and Bass Pro. something 6 feet high and 4 feet or more wide. My budget would stand up to 3-5k

Does anyone know anything about the Bass Pro safes, i.e. who makes them for them, it has to be someone.

What are some recommendations?
 
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about a year ago i purchased a safe that fits your guidelines (it's a bigun!)i have been very pleased with it...it a winchester legacy safe and its made here in the usa...i have seen them priced in the $1200-$1500 range...mine was $1300...it's big,roomy,and very secure...granite products makes them...there is a website...hope this helps!
 
I have liberty safes.

Always buy bigger then you think you will need.

We have a safe that we bought way back when. We were discussing purchasing another. We are in a dilemma about purchasing another huge safe, or another 2 smaller safes.

Any thoughts of why one safe is "better" than smaller multiple safes?

We have guns that we "use a lot", some "every so often" & a few heirlooms that don't come out hardly at all.

I was thinking that 3 safes might be better. I'm talking about long-gun, heavy safes ~ they are not going to smash & grab these safes.

My reasoning is that if we separate the "in & out a lot" guns from the others, it would lessen the banging together together of guns.

A salesman told me that Liberty is USA made & if you have a fire & can't get it open, they will send someone to open it as part of the warranty. Don't know how much truth is there.
Thanks.
 
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I got a Champion Triumph Series. Awesome quality, beautiful gloss paint. Ruggedly built, 2hr. fire rating. You can get either a mechanical (Key) or electronic lock if you are worried about a pulse attack. Buy a bigger size than you think you need. If in the garage BOLT it DOWN and hide it.
Stonecove
 
I need a bigger and better safe also. Not as big as the OP needs however. I kinda like the idea of two safes. The one I have now is in the corner of a closet. Would like to put one in the other corner. Can the door be ordered left or right hing?

Keeping certain guns/rifles separate from others seems like a good idea.
 
Just one suggestion, consider a combination lock and nothing electronic. I've heard more complaints regarding the battery driven one than the straight manual combination. And when I bought mine that was the recommendation from the dealer.
 
I have a Browning. Don't forget to research them. They're fine safes.

rags
 
Just one suggestion, consider a combination lock and nothing electronic. I've heard more complaints regarding the battery driven one than the straight manual combination. And when I bought mine that was the recommendation from the dealer.

I have a Sentry fire safe (not for guns) that has the electronic lock, and if you remove the panel, you can open it with a key, too. Is that available on a gun safe? Seems like an option I'd pay for....
 
You'll get plenty of recommendations on a good safe so I won't go there. But, regarding placement, a garage is not climate controlled(I assume?) and the biggest enemy you have with guns is the temperature going up and down. That can mean condensation, sometimes so tiny it can't even be seen, and rust. Goldenrods etc. do help but still a risk.

In addition, garage means drive in and a good truck with a chain and that safe is gone no matter how well you bolt it down. Both have been a problem around here so some food for thought.

Bob
 
I have a antique (1981) firetruck in front of the garage, but by the same way they can release the tranny and pull the truck out and then pull the safe out, although the neighbors seeing the truck pulled out and on the side of the road would call the cops, but that is a real concern.
I had thought of two safes in the basement, but every couple years I get some water, usually about an 1/8 or 1/4 inch in places and usually in the only area that the safe could be.

My thought had been a smallish save, say 450 pounds and 60x28x22 for the handguns and an AR and AK and leave the bolt actions and shotguns in the stackon gun cabinets, or two of the above if I can find room for them and then leave the WWII bolt actions in the stackons.
 
run away from liberty safes, lousy...their sg locks have failed me several times. i was locked out for almost one month before a lock smith showed up at my house (their warranty) they provided the wrong drill points and he tripped the fail safe...the door had to be replaced due to swiss cheese holes being drilled. all told 6 weeks locked out...lousy service, lousy follow up...their sg locks that they use have guts made from china and use a nylon worm gear which strips......
 
Some suggestions. First go visit the sigforum.com (the same owner who used to own this one.) They have a resident safe salesman. He participates in other discussions, but he's good with safes.

Then read the older discussions here and there on the subject. This isn't a small purchase, and you should do your homework first.

Yes, putting it out in the garage opens all kinds of issues. Good and bad. Once its where you're putting it, there is no real reason to buy new. The easy access you're concerned with can also be used to your advantage. Look for a much better industrial quality safe, but used. Its easy to install if its in the garage. It does take a rigger to deliver, but its much easier to install than a gun safe in a basement or upstairs.

Gun safes aren't real safes. They're just sheet metal cabinets with fancy looking locks. They don't keep out anyone with metal working skills. Even a guy who's good with a sawsall and some time will enter your safe. But a real honest to gawd safe will have inches of concrete as well as layers of steel. And the billybob pickup truck will pull its bumpers off trying to move it.

And my 2nd guess will be for you to frame up a corner and pour 8" of concrete into the shape desired. Use some steel for added strength, then put the best quality door you can buy. All the safe companies make them. Oh, when I wanted a 10x10 safe, a friend said "why so small?"
 
You'll get plenty of recommendations on a good safe so I won't go there. But, regarding placement, a garage is not climate controlled(I assume?) and the biggest enemy you have with guns is the temperature going up and down. That can mean condensation, sometimes so tiny it can't even be seen, and rust. Goldenrods etc. do help but still a risk.

Bob

How much of an issue would putting a safe in a roughly 10' x 10' boiler room be? The boiler fires fairly often, as it does the hot water as well as the heat, so the room is always warmer than anywhere else in the house. It never gets cold in that room (and it has no A/C vents). Is condensation a concern in such a situation? There's a fridge in the room and I never see condensation on it, even in the hot and humid summer. There is a door to the boiler room, and the room is pretty well sealed in. No windows either.

With regard to the OP, I have heard mixed things about Liberty. A locksmith told me that if a safe (from any company) is really an "RSC" (Residential Security Container), it's not really a "safe".

When I looked into safes years ago, I recall that key features to look for are the thickness of the steel of ALL sides, top, bottom and door; the lock protection built into the door to prevent it being drilled; and the vulnerability of the hinge design. I'm sure there are more, but I don't recall them.
 
Some suggestions. First go visit the sigforum.com (the same owner who used to own this one.) They have a resident safe salesman. He participates in other discussions, but he's good with safes.

Then read the older discussions here and there on the subject. This isn't a small purchase, and you should do your homework first.

Yes, putting it out in the garage opens all kinds of issues. Good and bad. Once its where you're putting it, there is no real reason to buy new. The easy access you're concerned with can also be used to your advantage. Look for a much better industrial quality safe, but used. Its easy to install if its in the garage. It does take a rigger to deliver, but its much easier to install than a gun safe in a basement or upstairs.

Gun safes aren't real safes. They're just sheet metal cabinets with fancy looking locks. They don't keep out anyone with metal working skills. Even a guy who's good with a sawsall and some time will enter your safe. But a real honest to gawd safe will have inches of concrete as well as layers of steel. And the billybob pickup truck will pull its bumpers off trying to move it.

And my 2nd guess will be for you to frame up a corner and pour 8" of concrete into the shape desired. Use some steel for added strength, then put the best quality door you can buy. All the safe companies make them. Oh, when I wanted a 10x10 safe, a friend said "why so small?"

I would have to respectfully disagree with some of what you said.

Most well made gun safes are plenty secure for the average home owner.

A sawsall? I don't think so. No thief has that kind of time nor the desire to remain in the house long enough to use one. Thieves attack what they think are the weak points of the safe. Hinges, dial, and handle. They attack the parts of the safe that actually make it harder for them to be successful.

I've seen safes left out in the desert where dummies tried to get in but couldn't. Generally, thieves don't have the know how, the tools, or the time to mess with an average joe's safe. Someone with those kinds of skills is either honestly employed like myself or busy trying to rip someone off that they know has lot's of money, gold, or diamonds at home in thier safe.

To the OP, I've been selling, repairing, and servicing safes for almost 20 years.

Definately buy one size bigger. You WILL find more to put in it.

Electronic locks are nice and convenient, but more prone to fail.

Have it delivered and installed. Preferably during the middle of the week when your neighbors are at work.

I highly recommend Liberty, Cannon, Amsec, and Fort Knox. There may be others that I can't think of now.

Stay FAR, FAR away from Sentry or anything else made in China. You get what you pay for. I've opened more Sentry safes than I can remember because they broke internally and cannot be repaired and parts are not available.

Think of it as an investment.
 
no offense to those that have them and im sure they give good service. but most of the bottom line of all the makers are chinese made safes. you may notice that theres a big price jump in the higher end of most makes, browning, liberty, amsec etc. not just for a bigger better safe ( RSC) but becuase the guys making them are not doing it for slave wages in china. i tortured myself over this for several months last year and i ended up with the amsec BF 6636. happy so far but now i wish i had gone with a 72 incher for several hundred more. if i had a bottomless budget i would get one of their 6000 pounders that are TL rated but i cant afford it now. if just a handful of your guns value exceeds the cost of a safe its time to buy. my amsec was made not only in USA but here in california.

just remember any crook with enough time and tools will get into any safe/rsc. your average smash and grab crackhead thief will not have a lot of time or desire to try to get into it. i went with a thicker front plate and more fire protection as well as im more concerned about that after my neighbors garage burned to the ground. its tucked between a bunch of really other heavy stuff in the garage and getting to the sides would be difficult. as well as its lag bolted into the concrete. good luck in your search.
 
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