Washington Resident with Conceal Carry License Shoots Neighbor's Dog !

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Man, I came really close last summer when some people down the road had their son come home for a while with a pit bull that they claimed was friendly. Sucker tried to get me and I went in and grabbed my 12 gauge. The dog went home I mad a call to them about it and it never showed up. The kid and his dog left soon after. I would have hated to shoot him, (the dog), but I would have if he was here, (the dog), acting aggressive.
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Gordon
 
You may need to protect yourself from a 4 legged threat !!
Yea this is very true - I live in a rural area where dogs can be (and are often shot) as aggressive toward livestock or people. A neighbor used to have two Rottweilers that were two of the ugliest and meanest things this side of Hell and spent most of their time 'patrolling' my fence line and displaying some of the most aggressive behavior I had ever seen - snarling, shrieking and it was obvious if they had ever gotten inside my fence they would have attacked me or anyone who was around. I never went to the back of my property without being armed in case they did breach my fence. These were not 'lovable' dogs just wanting to be friends - they were probably 165 lb monsters that were capable of injury or death of a human. I was glad when time finally ran it's course and they died. Many in the area knew of them and some had been agressed by them in their own yards. I DO NOT want to start a debate about how 'it's all about how they are raised etc' because Rotts and Pitts have the propensity to be very aggressive AND poor upbringing/training only makes it worse. Fortunately Oregon's laws are very PRO human/livestock when it comes to dog encounters with either.
 
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Yea this is very true - I live in a rural area where dogs can be (and are often shot) as aggressive toward livestock or people. A neighbor used to have two Rottweilers that were two of the ugliest and meanest things this side of Hell and spent most of their time 'patrolling' my fence line and displaying some of the most aggressive behavior I had ever seen - snarling, shrieking and it was obvious if they had ever gotten inside my fence they would have attacked me or anyone who was around. I never went to the back of my property without being armed in case they did breach my fence. These were not 'lovable' dogs just wanting to be friends - they were probably 165 lb monsters that were capable of injury or death of a human. I was glad when time finally ran it's course and they died. Many in the area knew of them and some had been agressed by them in their own yards. I DO NOT want to start a debate about how 'it's all about how they are raised etc' because Rotts and Pitts have the propensity to be very aggressive AND poor upbringing/training only makes it worse.

I've had GSD's for the last 30 some years and its not how you raise them its much more their linage .. who the dame and stud were .. 2 aggressive dogs will likely produce an overly aggressive animal ..

I live in the country also and have had to kill 2 dogs in the 35 years living here .. we had a pack of wild dog possibly coyote/coydogs running the woods a few years go .. got into my chicken coop one night and killed 8 hens.. stayed up the next night for them ..
 
This is an emotionally charged issue for me. As a responsible pitbull owner I know I always have to be the one to take protective measures first to keep everybody safe and happy. Don't mistake being afraid of a dog for being threatened by a dog. They are not the same thing. There is no actual peril in just being afraid, but I think some believe that is enough justification in itself.

If someone shot one of mine and the circumstances were even the least bit questionable I'm pretty certain I'd be going to prison shortly thereafter. That's just the way it is.
 
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A neighbor used to have two Rottweilers that were two of the ugliest and meanest things this side of Hell and spent most of their time 'patrolling' my fence line and displaying some of the most aggressive behavior I had ever seen - snarling, shrieking and it was obvious if they had ever gotten inside my fence they would have attacked me or anyone who was around. I never went to the back of my property without being armed in case they did breach my fence. These were not 'lovable' dogs just wanting to be friends - they were probably 165 lb monsters that were capable of injury or death of a human. I was glad when time finally ran it's course and they died.

I commend you for your restraint and at the same time completely understand you feeling the need to protect yourself.
 
I commend you for your restraint and at the same time completely understand you feeling the need to protect yourself.
Yea I 'restrained' myself for nearly 10 years while these spawn of hell creatures CONSTANTLY were on my fence line. I called the Sheriff's office many times and was ASSURED they were aware of them and and if I ever had to 'dump' them I would be exonerated. They were VERY willing to come over and follow me around for 15 minutes and IF they saw the same behavior I reported they would have slapped a $250 fine per dog on the owner but I was trying to be the 'good guy' and not do that. Do NOT get me wrong - I am an animal lover and have owned Labs and Goldens that were REGAL animals that were well behaved and loved by EVERYONE - and had NOTHING in common with these ugly, primordial Rotts and Pitts.
 
You may need to protect yourself from a 4 legged threat !!

In a town just a few miles from me .. Resident protects himself and his dog from an attack in his back yard by neighbors dog shooting and killing the animal !

Washington resident lawfully shot neighbor's dog, police say - News - Journal Star - Peoria, IL

Just yesterday I had a big and very aggressive dog come up to me and like always I am just nice to it and not afraid. Of course I had a 380 in my pants pocket but I would not even think of using that unless I got bit a couple times. Some people are just big sissies or they just like to shoot animals. Either way I've never had to shoot any dogs and sometimes when I'm riding my bicycle I've had five or six dogs from a farm just come up very aggressive on me and I never get so cowardly that I would have to pull out my gun and use it.
 
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Some years ago I lived in the Stadium District in downtown Tacoma, and on weekends I would ride my bike down to the Ruston Way waterfront area. I could shortcut through Garfield Park, a little postage-stamp sized park. One day a collie dog that was (illegally) off leash saw me and leaped up, running at me full tilt, growling and barking the whole way. It came up on my right side so I jinked left and it ran around behind the bike and attacked from the left side, biting my leg at the knee.

I locked up the brakes, kicked out of the pedals, and planted my feet on each side of the bike, drawing my little Sig P239. The dog's momentum carried it in front of me and I was just starting the trigger pull (first shot would be DA) when the dog calmly trotted off. I re-holstered and checked the damage; I had a trickle of blood running down my leg from a wound alongside my left knee. I rode home (5 mins) to clean it. While I was there I heard a 'man with a gun' call on the scanner so I bandaged up and rode back to the park to wait for the cops.

The dog's owner spotted me and immediately began her ***-story about how she was on public assistance and had no money, and thus I couldn't sue her. I told her the cops were on the way and she was in a flat panic, because she knew what would happen to her dog was going to be at least expensive, if not permanent. She went on and on about how the dog had never bitten anyone (third time in my life I'd been bit by a dog that never bit anyone). I was somewhat surprised she didn't say anything about me almost shooting her dog, so I mentioned how close it had come to getting shot. She hadn't seen me draw or point the gun at her dog, and even at that moment hadn't noticed the P239 carried openly in a holster on my belt.

The cops never came and I wasn't interested in making her life any more difficult so I finished my ride (in hindsight I really should have had the wound checked out). The next day I took the same route and while on Ruston I spotted an animal control officer on patrol for off-leash dogs and poop abandoners. I rode up (same OC) and told her the whole story. She listened and without hesitation said, "It would have been a good shoot". She said if I had called them they would have taken the dog, and that I should have had the wound checked out for rabies etc.

Looking back after the adrenaline with a more critical eye on what had happened; it occurred to me that the dog, a herding breed, had acted on impulse, doing what its instinct told it to do when it saw legs moving rapidly up & down; herd me. Once I had stopped and was about to dispense a helping of 147gr HSTs, its instinct was satisfied and it walked away. This is what dog owners need to understand; their loving pet still has instincts even it doesn't understand, and it will act on them immediately if the right trigger comes along.

I am glad I didn't have to shoot it; it was a city park with kids on the playground behind me. All they would have known is that some mean man shot a beautiful collie dog for no reason. After that I found and ordered a special pepper-spray holder for the handlebars; to give me a non-lethal option. If the attack had continued, open carry was the only way I would have gotten the gun out before any real damage had been done. Zippers or flaps in the way would have been too slow. I was surprised at myself somewhat for the speed and smoothness of the stop, kicking out of the egg-beater pedals, thumb-break, draw, and trigger pull; I had never practiced all that.
 
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I love animals. I once had to shoot a neighbor's dog who had killed several of my chickens and had another in his mouth. I had asked the neighbor many times to keep his dog at home and off of my rural property. I don't blame the dog as much as I do the neighbor, unfortunately the dog had to die in order to keep my chickens alive.
 
There was a similar incident in the Grand Rapids area not long ago. See link below.

Apparently, dog owner allowed the dog to run loose frequently. Prior to the shooting, she had been cited by animal control seven times for this behavior.

In an update to the story, the police finally charged her with some sort of infraction. The neighbor (the shooter) was cleared any wrong doing.

Naturally, I wasn't there so I can't say whether the shooting was necessary or not. I would think, however, that any pet owner who valued the animal would take steps to keep it on their own property.

Hudsonville dog owner charged for letting it run loose; neighbor shot, killed it | WZZM13.com
 
I saw that story in the paper this morning. I've been walking my dogs in my semi-rural area for nearly 20 years now. (Down to one dog now.) In those years, there's been at least 6 times when dogs running loose have "attacked" my dogs. I put that in quotation marks because they were all more of the "skirmish" nature. To date, I've never had to draw my gun. (I carry either a BG380 or 642.) I've always been able to break up the fight either by yelling or kicking the attacking dog. Three of those incidents involved the same dog, a mid sized terrier, and I kicked him hard all three times. I'll tell you, some of those dogs are fast. I've about wrenched my back missing them with a kick. The only one that really worried me was a large German Shepherd owned by a police officer. That was one of the "missed kicks" - dog was pretty quick. Even though I've never had to use the gun, I continue to carry, in the event we do encounter a Rottweiler, pit bull, etc., that won't be stopped by a kick. I'm not judging the guy who shot the dog in this instance. None of us were there to see it. But I guess by my actions to date I wouldn't have shot until it had actually attacked.
 
People are killed almost every day by dog attacks in this country. I have twice had to shot dogs that attacked or threatened me. I didn't like to do it, I really like dogs. That being said I am not going to let an apparently unlicensed, unvaccinated stray pit bull have me for lunch. Even if the attack doesn't kill you if the dog isn't caught you can look forward to some uncomfortable shots and whatever work is necessary to patch you up. It just isn't worth it. If it comes down to me spending the rest of the day in the E.R. or me shooting the dog, I am shooting the dog.
 
MN has a specific rule permitting a farmer to protect any livestock. In an urban situation, unless the dog is actively attacking, you can be jammed up for killing a dog and for discharging a gun, and both events will probably show up on the front page of the local news.

Pitbulls and Rotti's are products of the humans that raise them. The dogs were bred to fight other dogs and to not attack humans. When raised by competent owners, they are gentle with all and pits can be a great deal of
fun. My Springers favorite buddies are frequently pits, and the Rotties I meet are usually stand offish but polite. But you are not allowed to kill the owners if the dogs attack you and you do have to survive.

Any attack from any dog should have a phone call made to the local cop shop. MN has state laws that require aggressive and dangerous dogs be restrained, outlining the kinds and level of restraint and insurance coverage required for different level of dogs, and at what point the dog will be destroyed.

The dog most likely to bite you is the Chihuahua. Hard to shoot being small and bouncing and probably hanging on to your ankle so you risk shooting your foot. You get rural, and you may run into mixed packs of every breed and they all can bite if raised by an idiot. The sweetest house pet, running with a pack, will attack.
 
You get rural, and you may run into mixed packs of every breed and they all can bite if raised by an idiot. The sweetest house pet, running with a pack, will attack.
Feral dogs can be the most dangerous in rural areas because they have no fear of humans like coyotes usually do. I have only had one instance where I thought I might need to defend myself from an aggressive dog. CCW wasn't legal yet, so all I had was a knife. Fortunately the dog never left its property, and seemed to know exactly where its "authority" ended.
 
...The sweetest house pet, running with a pack, will attack.

It has been several years, but one morning I came upon a calving cow set upon by three dogs trying to rip open the "bag." Two chows and some kind of mutt, they had tags and collars, and likely came from a nearby subdivision of 5 acre "hobby farms."
 
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At risk of being chewed out for being off-topic; I'm glad I saw this thread! I have not had a dog problem walking where I live - but both of my daughters were attacked by a pit bull (minor injuries) in the Leftmost State last month. I am going to drop the $100+ and get a decent sword-cane this month. They're legal here and I think one will be a more-quickly accessed defense solution against one dog. I'm not anti-dog at all, just very much against so many dog owners who don't properly control their animals. Should a multi-dog situation arise, I hope that five rounds will at least scare them off!!
 
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