We do driving/traffic gripes, here is one

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I think we do a lot of these kinds of gripes on this forum, here is one that occurs to me almost daily and I bring it up because in my 35 years behind the wheel, this seems like a fairly new trend. Maybe you guys agree or don't?

4-ways or hazard lights, whatever your term is. Seems to me that a lot of folks these days don't use these properly. I was taught that if your vehicle has a distinct problem and is sitting somewhere near traffic, you use them. Or if you have stopped in some manner of an emergency and your car is in an odd place, you use them. And especially if your car is traveling down any road and your car is some kind of disabled in any form, you use them. (if you have huge cargo hanging off, if you are being towed, if you are driving on a donut spare, etc)

If you are still with me so far, here is my gripe. It seems like in the last few years... drivers are turning these on when they are scared in the driving conditions. When it is snowing and the road is icy. When the rain is hitting heavily. When traffic on the expressway is backed up.

^^ I don't understand this, I think this helps nobody, I think it adds a lot of visual chaos to an already less than ideal situation and very specifically, it makes it far more difficult to notice brake lights on the vehicle with the hazards on and it almost always entirely removes all effectiveness of that vehicle's turn signals.

It's like the car with the hazards is trying to tell the 40 of us behind him that it's snowing.

I find this problem much worse when a semitruck with trailer is doing it. Specifically, a truck will be in a far left lane to move to another expressway and that lane is clogged so they are moving only 5 miles an hour (bumper to bumper) but you can only see the RIGHT side indicator blinking. He has hazards on but to almost everyone that can see him, it appears that he is trying to leave this slow moving left lane an he is indicating a lane change to the right.

It seems to me that if you believe conditions are so hazardous (for all of us) due to traffic or weather, you should get off the road and stop the vehicle rather than turn on your hazard lights.

But I've also coped by lowering my expectations... daily... with no end.
 
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I'll pop them on if I'm tail-end-charlie for a bunch of traffic that has suddenly slowed due to a cloud burst, accident or whatever. I turn them off as soon as there are other cars behind me down to the crawl like the rest of us. I agree that leaving them on is unnecessary. I must assume this is done because once they go on and the traffic slows, they must immediately pick up the phone to tell someone.:rolleyes:

As for the situation where you cannot see the lights on both sides of a trailer, that's because the guy behind the truck is tailgating.
 
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I use them like Steve does above, and when I am fully stopped but not at a light or in parking spot.

E.g., today I used them while parking in front of a Whole Foods store while my wife ran in to return some shoes to Amazon. Always only when I am in the car in a place where I can't/shouldn't just leave the car, and where I expect to stop only briefly.

Here's what Oregon (ORS 811.515) has to say about it:



The above indicates using them while moving, as described in the OP, is acceptable in Oregon. News to me.
 
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As for the situation where you cannot see the lights on both sides of a trailer, that's because the guy behind the truck is tailgating.

Well -- no. I'm talking about a downtown split. Daily, a quarter mile of traffic is backed up a moving 3mph if that on the left lane for the ONE lane that takes them to the junction they need. The two right lanes put you north bound on the same interstate those folks in the left are waiting to go south. The left middle lane is the one I need and it's clear enough to go 55 but that's lunacy when the traffic next to you is traveling at 3mph.

And no, the vehicle behind the semi with (possibly) his 4-ways on needs to be close or some jackhole will fly from 40 to 5 and swoop in to that open space.

Sometimes it's difficult to paint the picture with words. It's a daily circus.
 
As of July 1st 2021, in the multi-ring circus that is FL, one can use the emergency flashers in conditions of "extremely low visibility" when you're in a 55 zone. To be fair, the denizens are challenged to use turn signals most any time, so those poor neglected lights can hope for a highway cloudburst to fulfill their purpose.

Meanwhile, spiders continue to appreciate the ready availability of the turn signal stalk as a web anchor point.
 
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Always gave my fellow drivers the benefit of the doubt and assume they are driving the best they can. Only gripe is with those drivers allowing themselves to be distracted by their cell phones.


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In Florida it is a "moving violation." Emer flashers are only intended to be used in an emergency, ie. disabled vehicle. Joe


This is true, but I got caught in a torrential downpour that snuck up on me one day when I was on my bike on northbound 95.

If it hadn't been for a semi with his flashers on, I wouldn't have made it home. Only thing I could see was those flashing red lights. I just stayed in the middle of them and prayed nobody ran over me from behind.
 
As of July 1st 2021, in the multi-ring circus that is FL, one can use the emergency flashers in conditions of "extremely low visibility" when you're in a 55 zone. To be fair, the denizens are challenged to use turn signals most any time, so those poor neglected lights can hope for a highway cloudburst to fulfill their purpose.

Meanwhile, spiders continue to appreciate the ready availability of the turn signal stalk as a web anchor point.

Is there a message hidden in there aside from poor visibility and the use of emergency flashers?
 
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Always gave my fellow drivers the benefit of the doubt and assume they are driving the best they can.

If what I see here most days is their best, let me know when they're having a bad day and I'll call in sick.

Another piece of advice I have is for road designers. NEVER assume that drivers will do the common sense thing at junctions and freeway ramps. They require corralling and guidance. Concrete barriers work best.
 
I always thought that 4ways were for people who were going to turn at some point but hadn't decided which way. :)

My thoughts are that if there's a need for you to pull off the highway then 4ways are a signal for assistance. Your turn signal is used for leaving or reentering the highway.

Some time ago my jeep was in bad shape and I couldn't go over 25mph. When taking it to the dealer I used the 4ways and stuck to residential streets whenever possible. I probably should've had it towed. At least I know that the horn worked on every car that passed me.

Driving in a truck can be bad for people in cars that are behind me. Rather than riding the brake pedal or waiting until the last second to apply the brakes I'll tap the pedal once or twice and then start to slow down. This gets the tailgater off my back in a polite way.

To keep in line with the OP's topic if I'm driving at highway speed and see something ahead of me that dictates caution I will use my brakes rather than the hazards. I have to slow down anyhow so isn't tapping the brake pedal a more effective way of alerting those behind me?
 
Having extensive experience driving in Florida downpours, I find the faint taillights of most vehicles difficult to see in heavy rain, whereas the emergency flashers are easily seen. I'll take my chances of getting a ticket for driving with my flashers on as even the FHP troopers don't like getting out in the rain. If they didn't mind, they'd rake in the cash for no having headlights on in the rain. But they don't.
 
I've had my butt saved a couple times when riding my MC in hard downpours on the interstate (and no place to go but go on) when some car drivers have turned on their hazards.

Moving violation or not, I appreciated it. I've lived long enough to find that just because I don't understand or appreciate what someone else thinks is a good idea, doesn't mean it isn't a good idea

Now. about those clouds ;)
 
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I started seeing this some time ago. Mostly semis on I-40 climbing the hills in west Arkansas. They would slow down a lot before reaching the top. Legal or not IMO it does help following drivers realize a slow vehicle is ahead. Does not bother me at all. I have seen it a time or two with big trucks in heavy rain or snow.
 
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