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At about 1700 hrs Pacific Coast Time the Israelis hit a fair number of targets in Iran, including many in Tehran itself. So far we are not involved. The "experts" assert that there will be more than one wave of attacks and Tehran will launch missiles at Israel. The Israeli government has ordered its citizens to stay near to bomb shelters until further notice. With luck we won't get involved, but I suspect that Iran will strike at US assets, and I suspect that if that happens Trump will strike back. Could get interesting.
 
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Iran has terrorist squads here already. Just waiting to be activated.
 
I can't imagine just how many foreign agents have poured through our borders over the last 4 years and are ready to inflict as much damage as they can when ordered to. A true travesty - yet no one is ever held accountable - THAT is an American flaw! As the saying goes......... we are our own worst enemy! At the end of the day, Citizens MUST be educated, un-brainwashed and go out and vote! Too many Citizens have failed their civic duty and now the cracks have been exposed. This is our last chance to fix it.
 
If Israel wants war with Iran, then let the two go at it and best man wins. America Bring our Troops home! keep America OUT of this crap.
And Please, all Americans stay away from the lying Mass Media Propaganda garbage like Fox News and CNN. Stop listening to the Neocons, War Hawks, and Chicken Hawks and 4 star generals on Propaganda networks making millions to sell war.
This. like Ukraine and Iraq will turn into a bloody mess. And it will be like Iraq on Steroids. And for sure, do not let them deceive you and never under estimate your enemy. (Most Americans really do not know who our real enemy really are, Politicians on both sides bought by Foreign lobby groups. )
MAKE AMERICA FIRST
 
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Devil in the Shade said:
If Israel wants war with Iran, then let the two go at it and best man wins. America Bring our Troops home! keep America OUT of this crap.
And Please, all Americans stay away from the lying Mass Media Propaganda garbage like Fox News and CNN. Stop listening to the Neocons, War Hawks, and Chicken Hawks and 4 star generals on Propaganda networks making millions to sell war.
This. like Ukraine and Iraq will turn into a bloody mess. And it will be like Iraq on Steroids. And for sure, do not let them deceive you and never under estimate your enemy. (Most Americans really do not know who our real enemy really are, Politicians on both sides bought by Foreign lobby groups. )
MAKE AMERICA FIRST
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Israel doesn't want war with Iran. They want to survive. Iran has other plans.
 
lihpster said:
Israel doesn't want war with Iran. They want to survive. Iran has other plans.
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Well one thing for sure, they do not want it now. They have woken the Giant. And Natanyahu is going to bring the end to Israel.. I have no doubt about it. Let us pray that Bibi does not go with a Nuclear bomb which many fear he will now use. This could be the start of the end for all of us.
 
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I am hoping that we do not get involved, but I fear that we will be dragged into this either by being a convenient target or by sticking our noses in ourselves. Since we have already shot down missiles heading to Israel and we obviously supply weapons and intelligence, it looks like we may already have crossed the Rubicon. Waiting and seeing...
 
YeshuaIsa53 said:
Do you have any addresses of these foreign agents?
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Let's assume for a second that there are Iranian terror squads hiding behind every Walmart dumpster. I doubt it, but for sake of argument let's just say there are:

AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENI: Wow, the Israelis really shellacked us this time! They've totally destroyed our anti-air capability and are now systematically dismantling our oil infrastructure, which is basically our entire economy. Our regional proxies are in shambles, too. The only way this could be any worse is if the Americans got directly involved!

WHATEVER MILITARY ADVISOR IS STILL ALIVE TODAY: Hey, why don't we activate our millions of terrorists in America, which will 100% guarantee the Americans will come over here and flatten whatever the Israelis haven't?
 
And no one is more surprised than Israelis. Israel estimates Iran has 3,000 ballistic missiles. At the current rate of 15% failures to intercept incoming missiles, that means Israelis could reasonably expect 450 missile strikes if Iran exhausts its estimated arsenal. Israel is the size of New Jersey with 6 million population. Iran is 2.5x the size of Texas with 88 million population.

As well, no one seems to have a good estimate of how many tens of thousands of Shahed drones Iran has and can get into the hands of local proxies - these can be shot down with anti-drone defenses and with practice, they can be downed with radar-controlled anti-aircraft guns. Still, the Ukrainians, best in the world at this, can get about 90% of drones in swarms.

Israel seems to have rolled the dice that Iran would make noise and back off as they have before. Doesn't seem to have worked out that way this time.

We have not discussed Iranian asymmetric warfare capacities, but they have a myriad of options.

I'm not enthusiastic about Israeli abilities to escape their pre-emptive strikes without pretty substantial, long-term retaliatory attacks and damage.
 
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Israel seems to have rolled the dice that Iran would make noise and back off as they have before. Doesn't seem to have worked out that way this time.
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I think that's underestimating Netanyahu.

Since 10/7 Israel has been working to systematically isolate Iran and degrade their capabilities. As of last November Israel has essentially a blank check from the US, I think they've decided it's time for some long-term work in Iran instead of just mowing the grass every few years. If Israel can do lasting damage to Iran's economy by disrupting or destroying their oil industry, it further degrades their ability to fund proxies and the regime may even topple on its own. All Iran can do to retaliate is indiscriminate attacks on population centers, which will only serve to fuel Israeli civilian support for a long-term campaign against Iran.
 
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I think that's underestimating Netanyahu.

Since 10/7 Israel has been working to systematically isolate Iran and degrade their capabilities. As of last November Israel has essentially a blank check from the US, I think they've decided it's time for some long-term work in Iran instead of just mowing the grass every few years. If Israel can do lasting damage to Iran's economy by disrupting or destroying their oil industry, it further degrades their ability to fund proxies and the regime may even topple on its own. All Iran can do to retaliate is indiscriminate attacks on population centers, which will only serve to fuel Israeli civilian support for a long-term campaign against Iran.
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Israel can't find many proxies in that neighborhood.

Iran can do a lot more than dump missiles on populations via their murderous friends in Hamas and Hizbollah, the Houthis, and those are only the most extreme. They can make the Strait of Hormuz impassable, which is a great tactic if they have no oil to ship because of damage to their oil facilities. They still distribute oil by pipeline and by rail.

The region not recently been closer to the Plain at Meggido.
 
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They can make the Strait of Hormuz impassable, which is a great tactic if they have no oil to ship because of damage to their oil facilities. They still distribute oil by pipeline and by rail.
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If Iran thinks they have problems now, wait until they close the Straits of Hormuz. Israel will be the very least of their problems.
 
The consequences would be far, far wider than just for Iran. They could also coordinate with Houthis to close both the Strait and also the Red Sea (or make shopping too risky to be affordable). Even a few days would destabilize the world economy.

One reason I like renewable energy is that it leaves us with less and less a need to care about things unfixable in places far away.
 
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biku324 said:
The consequences would be far, far wider than just for Iran. They could also coordinate with Houthis to close both the Strait and also the Red Sea (or make shopping too risky to be affordable). Even a few days would destabilize the world economy.

One reason I like renewable energy is that it leaves us with less and less a need to care about things unfixable in places far away.
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Shopping at my local Albertson's is already too risky to be affordable.... :giggle:

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
 
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