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I am just a simple retired construciton worker, I have had no higher education, political or diplomatic training, but it is a mystery to me, why, if we are considering becoming involved in a fight in that part of the world, that we don't go after the nation that provided the money and manpower for the attack on our cities on Sept. 11. If my neighbor on my right burned down my home, why would I go after the neighbor on my left?
 
Oldsalt66 said:
Iran has been successfully striking US assets with impunity since 1979 when the Islamic Regime seized power, and with deadly results.
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biku324 said:
And we've paid them back in any number of non-headline incidents, especially since '92.

How many Houthis (Iranian proxies in Yemen) do you suppose we've killed in the last year?
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The Houthis aren't Iranians, they're merely the disposable surrogates and expendable proxy assets of the mullahs who comprise the Iranian Islamic Regime.

And no, "we" haven't "paid" Iran, more accurately its Islamic rulers, "back" for it's actions.


The Iranian Hostage Crisis - Short History - Department History - Office of the Historian

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You're aware Houthis have embedded Iranian advisors?

Qassem Solermani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis certainly weren't low-level expendables. We killed them and publicized it, unlike quiet small-unit actions against Iranians and their proxies in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and elsewhere.

Iran is not our friend, they are Russia's friend. But we didn't fly into Iran and bomb the country without warning either. Israel started it; not up to us to finish it.
Oldsalt66 said:
The Houthis aren't Iranians, they're merely the disposable surrogates and expendable proxy assets of the mullahs who comprise the Iranian Islamic Regime.

And no, "we" haven't "paid" Iran, more accurately its Islamic rulers, "back" for it's actions.


The Iranian Hostage Crisis - Short History - Department History - Office of the Historian

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tlawler said:
Even remember? Seriously? I think I can safely say that most of us will never forget! I joined the Navy in 1979 and at the time, it was recent history. I served with a lot of guys who were junior sailors in 1967 and nearing the end of their Naval careers in the early '80s that absolutely hated Israel over that supposed case of mistaken identity and subsequent coverup. I also have a friend and retired co-worker that was a bosun mate on the USS America at the time and helped pull the dead and wounded off the helos sent to the Liberty for evacuation. Sailors talk, and he says it was common knowledge amongst the crew that McNamara purposefully recalled the planes that were going to the defense of the Liberty while the attack was still underway.

So basically, they gave us back $3 million of the $3 billion we gave them that year for slaughtering 34 Americans.

Yeah, don't get me started on the USS Liberty attack.
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A colleague who enlisted (USN) in '73 and retired as a Master Chief in '94 spent most of his time as an ELINT cryptologist. Word in their circle was the IDF knew precisely what the Liberty was doing there (electronic intelligence-gathering) and didn't want us to know what they were doing, to whom they were doing it, how, and why.
 
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One thing is clear to any of us watching: There is good in the world, and there is evil, and that has been true since Cain slew Abel. When good confronts evil, war happens. What is good, and what is evil, is often simply in the eyes of the beholder, which is why both the Allies and the Axis prayed to God for victory in World War II! In the case of Iran, it seems clear that Iran is evil, given their support for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, and statements about destroying "The Little Satan" (Israel) and "The Great Satan" (United States). I have been to war; war is not good for children or other living things. BUT... sometimes war is necessary, to destroy evil. Simple, really.
 
biku324 said:
You're aware Houthis have embedded Iranian advisors?

Qassem Solermani and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis certainly weren't low-level expendables. We killed them and publicized it, unlike quiet small-unit actions against Iranians and their proxies in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and elsewhere.

Iran is not our friend, they are Russia's friend. But we didn't fly into Iran and bomb the country without warning either. Israel started it; not up to us to finish it.
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Those two indivduals who, among others, planned and ordered the deaths of Americans weren't low level expendables.

Neither were our people in Beirut, Iraq, and Afghanistan who were murdered by the Islamic Iranian Regime run by the black robes.

And yes, the Houthis who were engaged in attacking Americans did, indeed, have Iranian QUDS Forces advisors, rendering them enemy combatants and therefore, legitimate military targets.

Both The United States and Israel have provided years of warning to the mullahs that they would be bombed in the event they continued building nuclear weapons; warnings which they chose to ignore in continuation of their pursuit of nuclear bombs and ballistic missiles with which to deliver them.
 
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The Liberty attack was unmerciful heinous and ongoing

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDqpovwSp2U

Also read the new Book now out.
 
Oldsalt66 said:
Those two indivduals who, among others, planned and ordered the deaths of Americans weren't low level expendables.

Neither were our people in Beirut, Iraq, and Afghanistan who were murdered by the Islamic Iranian Regime run by the black robes.

And yes, the Houthis who were engaged in attacking Americans did, indeed, have Iranian QUDS Forces advisors, rendering them enemy combatants and therefore, legitimate military targets.

Both The United States and Israel have provided years of warning to the mullahs that they would be bombed in the event they continued building nuclear weapons; warnings which they chose to ignore in continuation of their pursuit of nuclear bombs and ballistic missiles with which to deliver them.
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"Years of warning" are not declarations of war.
 
Geraldo Rivera's mustache is wet with tears over the destruction the mullahs are bringing down upon themselves after decades of getting away with the murder of Americans and others due to their own countless acts of state sponsored terrorism.

Mine, however, is not. :)
 
biku324 said:
Except the IDF has provided limited proof of that. Do we know the IDF doesn't have bunkers under hospitals?

A classic case of 'whose (posterior) is the blackest'?
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No, we don't know any such thing since there's not even "limited proof" of that totally unsubstantiated nonsense.
 
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No, we don't know any such thing since there's not even "limited proof" of that totally unsubstantiated nonsense.
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When we get 3rd party verification of 36 Hamas C&C ops under 36 Gaza hospitals, I guess we'll know.

My suspicion is that no one is more surprised than the Israelis that Iran has sustained counter-attacks this long with no end in sight. If Israel needs to end this, they have their own nukes and both air (F-16 and F-35) and surface-to-surface (the Jericho II) delivery systems.
 
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