We went to the lake Monday, to have a picnic and bar-b-q some chicken and most of the people had already left so it was a pretty nice, relaxing way to end a busy and fun-filled Holiday. We've had a lot of rain and the temperatures have been cool and everything was nice and green, the campgrounds and roads have been well maintained, but there was only one problem....there was trash and litter everwhere! It was so disgusting I couldn't believe it, and there were beer cans, cigarette butts, baby diapers, and about every kind of trash you can imagine, and it really saddened me there are so many people around here with no desire to clean up after themselves. I've been to the camping areas in other states and I don't see near the litter problems like we have around here, so how do other places manage to keep people from littering?
Went to the lake.....it was depressing
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Forester
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It is a big problem here as well. Lots of out-of-towners feel no compunction about throwing their trash all over the beach. I always call people on it when I see it but it is a drop in the bucket.
Jst1mr
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Nearly every place you go the roadsides are disgusting. I have never thrown anything other than an apple core out a vehicle window and can't understand the mentality behind it. When I lived in Colorado, where I thought a more green mentality would exist, I was continually amazed at the trash strewn about. Another manifestation of today's lazy and indifferent culture I suppose.
Frank237
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Makes me crazy as well. Can NOT understand how people simply drop their trash anywhere and feel it's acceptable!
When I was still on the job I saw a vacationer in the summer stopped alongside the Highway...changing a baby diaper on the trunk lid of her Volvo. I had a "cut across" nearby so decided to hop the median rail and see if that was all she was doing,not broken down, etc.
By the time I get to the turnout she was parked at...she is gone...but a steaming, crap filled baby diaper, as well as a couple of empty coffee cups are on the ground!!
I stuck it all in a small, clear plastic bag I use for trash and took off southbound to catch her. Few miles later I stop her.... OHIO plates. I walk up to the car, with the bag hidden behind my back. I said Hello and simply handed her the bag. "I believe You forgot THIS" was all I said....Though I was giving her my STERN/UNHAPPY look as well.
It was priceless...She took the bag and lowering her eyes...simply said "Thank You Officer". I walked back...she drove off.
FN in MT
When I was still on the job I saw a vacationer in the summer stopped alongside the Highway...changing a baby diaper on the trunk lid of her Volvo. I had a "cut across" nearby so decided to hop the median rail and see if that was all she was doing,not broken down, etc.
By the time I get to the turnout she was parked at...she is gone...but a steaming, crap filled baby diaper, as well as a couple of empty coffee cups are on the ground!!
I stuck it all in a small, clear plastic bag I use for trash and took off southbound to catch her. Few miles later I stop her.... OHIO plates. I walk up to the car, with the bag hidden behind my back. I said Hello and simply handed her the bag. "I believe You forgot THIS" was all I said....Though I was giving her my STERN/UNHAPPY look as well.
It was priceless...She took the bag and lowering her eyes...simply said "Thank You Officer". I walked back...she drove off.
FN in MT
NFrameFred
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My "favorite" low-life-losers in this category are the human excrement who are too sorry to get out and go in the fast-food joint, but go through the drive-through and then proceed to sit in their parked cars in the lot, eat, and dump their trash out the window or under the car.
I revise that - people who do that are worse than monkey excrement.
These types are closely followed in esteem by shoppers at the supermarket or the local Wally World who turn around and shove their shopping carts aside after they unload them when there are return bays every 50 feet through the lot.
Some people aren't worth the powder and caps it would take to send 'em to the next world . . .
I revise that - people who do that are worse than monkey excrement.
These types are closely followed in esteem by shoppers at the supermarket or the local Wally World who turn around and shove their shopping carts aside after they unload them when there are return bays every 50 feet through the lot.
Some people aren't worth the powder and caps it would take to send 'em to the next world . . .
pluspea
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I was following a van going into the pigeon forge area when I observed the driver dispose of a fast food bag the size of a football out the window. I phoned the local P.D. and informed them about what I saw, along with the tag number. They assured me that it would be investigated, but don't know if it ever was. It did make me feel better about doing something about this awful practice.
I've thrown banana peels out the window, hoping that some trash dumpers might slip on them.
feralmerril
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That all is bad, but what is serious bad is throwing out cigarret butts. That can and has burnt the country up along with the cost and loss of life etc. Frankly, a lot cant be done about it. Try slapping around someone when spotted and you would be in big trouble----unless someday the country turns around and it would be sop. Then it also would be survival of the fitist---and maybe it should be!
OLDFED
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A long time back, when I was pushing my unmarked car around, I had stopped behind a Cadillac at a traffic light. The driver opened his door and dumped his very full ashtray onto the road along with some food wrappers. When the light changed, I followed him about three miles, then pulled him over. I asked him where he was coming from and he started to give me a line I knew wasn't true. When I told him he had been reported dumping trash on the road, he adamantly denied it, saying that whoever called must have gotten the wrong plate number. He changed his story when I told him I had been right behind him as he tossed his junk. I gave him the option of a ticket for $1,000 (the max.) or going back and cleaning up the entire intersection. He opted for the latter and I supervised. About 40 minutes later, he finished and I thanked him for doing his civic duty. He seemed embarassed, but when he saw all that trash that he and others had left, he became aware of the bigger issue. Today, I'd probably be brought up on charges of police brutality or denying him his rights but decades ago, it was the right and acceptable thing to do.
A long time back, when I was pushing my unmarked car around, I had stopped behind a Cadillac at a traffic light. The driver opened his door and dumped his very full ashtray onto the road along with some food wrappers. When the light changed, I followed him about three miles, then pulled him over. I asked him where he was coming from and he started to give me a line I knew wasn't true. When I told him he had been reported dumping trash on the road, he adamantly denied it, saying that whoever called must have gotten the wrong plate number. He changed his story when I told him I had been right behind him as he tossed his junk. I gave him the option of a ticket for $1,000 (the max.) or going back and cleaning up the entire intersection. He opted for the latter and I supervised. About 40 minutes later, he finished and I thanked him for doing his civic duty. He seemed embarassed, but when he saw all that trash that he and others had left, he became aware of the bigger issue. Today, I'd probably be brought up on charges of police brutality or denying him his rights but decades ago, it was the right and acceptable thing to do.
Dobbs
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I see the why as a direct result of the influx of third world people who bring their slovenly cultures with them. They have no interest in assimilating, and therefore acquiring what are our social norms.
I believe that Scotsbrae has the answer. See his signature line….
I believe that Scotsbrae has the answer. See his signature line….
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I too dislike people who litter. Whenever I go hiking I bring along an old grocery sack of some sort, and pick up any trash along the trail. I have never thrown anything on the ground on purpose, but apparently some people feel that it is okay. Don't get upset guys, but in my experience, the worst offenders are people who shoot firearms. There are entire canyons around Las Vegas that are filled with garbage that people have taken out and shot full of holes. My wife filled a trash can full of shotgun shells on one trip, and it didn't even put a dent in the mess out there. You could fill dumpsters and not put a dent in it. I always clean up my brass, and targets, along with other people's garbage as well.
Jared
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Remember the old saying, "It takes one to know one"? Well, it takes trash to leave trash.
Jst1mr
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Not many canyons around here, but I have seen more than one gravel pit that fit that description. I have come to accept that there are many buffoons who own and shoot firearms (re: any of a thousand youtube videos) and there is little I can do about it except to NOT be that guy. As always, the stupidity of a few reflects poorly on the greater body of responsible and respectable gun owners, so please be careful that we are not all tarred by the overly broad brush of "those who shoot firearms..."
LVSteve
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One of the first times I took my Dad out into the Amargosa Desert we had to divert from our expected return route due to flooding. It was beginning to get dark so I reassured Dad that we were not lost as we were surrounded by metalled roads and it was just a case of finding a track that went through to one of them. He replied that he knew we were nearing "civilisation" as the count of beer cans, broken bottles and piles of shotgun shells was increasing. En masse, humans are a filthy and destructive species.
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If you think they are slobs when they discard their trash, wait till you see the insides of their cars or houses or apartments. Conversely I live in a fairly liberal town yet I am amazed at the quality of items i find left on the curb-bicycles, coolers, camping gear, electronics. The throwaway mentality is not limited to the lower classes.
ldausmc1369
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If you have ever had the opportunity to travel to some of the third world countries, such as Mexico, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Viet Nam etc. you will see the effect of the migration of their citizenry and culture to our great nation. Chunk it out the window, leave it where it lays, do nothing to it till it falls down, etc. I have seen numerous citizens from south of the border who have infested, and that's the term I will use, this area (the horse country) of KY leaving/throwing trash out the windows, in the parking lots, etc. Before the mass immigration/migration over the last 20 years or so, the roadsides were not nearly as trashy as they are today. I find that true in any of the Southeastern states where mass migration for farm labor is centered. And, I don't know the answer to the problem/question. I just know we pay private companies to pick up the trash on the roadside every year before Derby time so the roadsides and medians can be spruced up for the visitors.
If you have ever had the opportunity to travel to some of the third world countries, such as Mexico, India, Thailand, Pakistan, China, Viet Nam etc. you will see the effect of the migration of their citizenry and culture to our great nation. Chunk it out the window, leave it where it lays, do nothing to it till it falls down, etc. I have seen numerous citizens from south of the border who have infested, and that's the term I will use, this area (the horse country) of KY leaving/throwing trash out the windows, in the parking lots, etc. Before the mass immigration/migration over the last 20 years or so, the roadsides were not nearly as trashy as they are today. I find that true in any of the Southeastern states where mass migration for farm labor is centered. And, I don't know the answer to the problem/question. I just know we pay private companies to pick up the trash on the roadside every year before Derby time so the roadsides and medians can be spruced up for the visitors.
writerinmo
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Way back when I was a little bitty boy, long before we had any sort of influx into this country of Vietnamese, Bosnian s, Pakistanis, any of the ones mentioned previously, I belonged to 4H. In the summertime we would go out and on a 12 mile long stretch of highway between our town and the next we would pick up trash... LOTS and LOTS of trash. Everything you might imagine back then, from stuff that probably just blew out of the back of someones pickup from not being tied down well to stuff obviously broken, worn out and just dumped out the back when no one was in sight. Don't be blaming it on foreign cultures, sure, they have their slobs too, but America has had problems with illegal dumping and litterbugs many years before emigration of these "Third World" citizens even began. When I see idiots tossing stuff out the window, it is usually people in their 20's and 30's driving mid-priced cars with a cell phone held tight to the side of their head...
oldogy
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Several years ago, I belonged to a loosely knit Jeepers organization. Our main riding area was the Ocala National Forest in Florida. We organized a few clean up days and it was amazing what we would gather in the course of a day. In one day we filled four large, I believe 20 yard dumpsters with all kinds of trash, mainly household stuff. I guess folks thought if they got it back off the roadway, into the weeds and trees it was alright.
Yep, it takes trash to dump trash.
oldogy
Yep, it takes trash to dump trash.
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IMHO part of the problem is the end of deposits on beverage bottles.
I was in the Boy Scouts in the 1960s, we always cleaned up our campsites, burnt what wasn't to be packed out. In the Army we policed up the ranges after firing-"No brass or ammo, Sergeant!"
I was in the Boy Scouts in the 1960s, we always cleaned up our campsites, burnt what wasn't to be packed out. In the Army we policed up the ranges after firing-"No brass or ammo, Sergeant!"
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We went to downtown Grand Rapids Michigan and sat in front of the Gerald Ford Presidential Museum, to watch the fireworks. We were about twenty feet from the front door. It was a good show. After it was over we just sat and let the crowds clear and was shocked at the trash. All the trash cans were full but no excuse, we carried our empty water bottles the half mile back to the car.
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Now I will be way out of PC here but can explain at least part of the problem. In Latin American countries trash and garbage are every where. There is little organized pickups and every town has multiple dumps but most folks just throw it on the ground and most homes have a large pile out back. When these folks come here they bring with them their cultural habits. I think the latest estimate is something along the lines of 11 million illegals here and a good many of them are part of this problem.
Go to any park/campground where a large contingent of our latin population frequents and you will see the problem clearly. Check the internet for photos of the smugglers trails that the illegals use to come north, they are literally buried in garbage. In our community most of the construction laborer jobs go to the illegal community. You can tell when lunch is over as all of their trash comes blowing down the street.
This is not to infer that there is not a huge number of legal Americans who have no excuse except just plain lazy and stupid. These folks actually annoy me more. Regardless of race a slob is a slob and should never be tolerated. To all you LEO's out there, I know you have better things to do but if time permits nail their ass!
Go to any park/campground where a large contingent of our latin population frequents and you will see the problem clearly. Check the internet for photos of the smugglers trails that the illegals use to come north, they are literally buried in garbage. In our community most of the construction laborer jobs go to the illegal community. You can tell when lunch is over as all of their trash comes blowing down the street.
This is not to infer that there is not a huge number of legal Americans who have no excuse except just plain lazy and stupid. These folks actually annoy me more. Regardless of race a slob is a slob and should never be tolerated. To all you LEO's out there, I know you have better things to do but if time permits nail their ass!
It's pretty easy to tell when you're entering many AZ Indian reservations, whether or not there's any signage marking the boundary, as the amount of shattered beer, wine, and booze bottles increases exponentially. Many reservation roadsides are glittering, miles-long trash heaps. The famous anti-pollution TV ad featuring the teary-eyed Indian was wishful, wistful fancy. If there's any cultural predisposition to literally trashy behavior, I don't think any particular ethnic group has a corner on it...
from Maine to California…………humans are the only species who defecate where they live.
you don't have to look very hard to find litter everywhere.
drop your garbage anywhere you want, is the motto of people in the USA.
there are plenty of laws on the books to punish litterbugs……….but none are enforced.
recommendation: littering first time offense…..$1000 fine and 100 hours community service.
if the above were enforced consistently……..there would be no second offenses.
you don't have to look very hard to find litter everywhere.
drop your garbage anywhere you want, is the motto of people in the USA.
there are plenty of laws on the books to punish litterbugs……….but none are enforced.
recommendation: littering first time offense…..$1000 fine and 100 hours community service.
if the above were enforced consistently……..there would be no second offenses.
bayfisher
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Here in Texas, We've found it easier to keep Okies out.
Just kiddin with ya, There are people with no respect for others anywhere you go. Best you can do is clean up after them and try to enjoy your time in the outdoors.
Just kiddin with ya, There are people with no respect for others anywhere you go. Best you can do is clean up after them and try to enjoy your time in the outdoors.
Stainz
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One man's trash...
Thirty years ago, my '74 Alfa Romeo Berlina, a 4 dr sedan, stripped out the LH tie rod end - and the LF wheel went hard left as I turned right - the car stuttered forward. Amazingly, a wire coat hanger got me home. I called a hiker friend who was an Alfa nut, too - and, yep, he had seen a derelict '74 Spyder in his hikes - at the base of a cliff in Little River Canyon in north Alabama. Not easily accessible, he was hiking there that weekend - and scavenged the tie rod ends - they were straight! He had 'borrowed' other items from it - and several other derelicts.
Yep, folks would just pushed the mostly stripped hulls off that cliff! Some years later, the Alabama National Guard supplied some helicopters to remove most of those hulls. It really is true - trash leaves trash. I always brought my trash out with me when my sons and I hiked and camped. I brought it in full, I can take it out empty. Okay, I buried TP...
You smokers... how many of you just drop your smoldering butts? I watched folks from teens to my age take that last drag - then drop the butts - in the parking lot and grass - in front of our church - I was a door greeter/security. Just sorry behavior... dressed up 'nice' folks, trash, or bums, it doesn't matter. Remember the ad with the tearful indian?
Stainz
Thirty years ago, my '74 Alfa Romeo Berlina, a 4 dr sedan, stripped out the LH tie rod end - and the LF wheel went hard left as I turned right - the car stuttered forward. Amazingly, a wire coat hanger got me home. I called a hiker friend who was an Alfa nut, too - and, yep, he had seen a derelict '74 Spyder in his hikes - at the base of a cliff in Little River Canyon in north Alabama. Not easily accessible, he was hiking there that weekend - and scavenged the tie rod ends - they were straight! He had 'borrowed' other items from it - and several other derelicts.
Yep, folks would just pushed the mostly stripped hulls off that cliff! Some years later, the Alabama National Guard supplied some helicopters to remove most of those hulls. It really is true - trash leaves trash. I always brought my trash out with me when my sons and I hiked and camped. I brought it in full, I can take it out empty. Okay, I buried TP...
You smokers... how many of you just drop your smoldering butts? I watched folks from teens to my age take that last drag - then drop the butts - in the parking lot and grass - in front of our church - I was a door greeter/security. Just sorry behavior... dressed up 'nice' folks, trash, or bums, it doesn't matter. Remember the ad with the tearful indian?
Stainz
Jst1mr
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I remember that the ad represented reality about as closely as the fact that the "Indian" was in actuality an Italian...the reservations here are the trash heaps of the northland.
feralmerril
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I met iron eyes cody once. Then I read he was a italian!
smith revolver cop
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I've heard that the word "diversity" was created from the words "divisiveness" and "perversity." Some people certainly seem to apply it that way.
jrm53
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I dont go to the lake anymore but a friend still does, he said he saw a Hispanic woman with a little kid in diapers take his off and wash him and it right in the swimming area with people all around, this was in Beaver lake in NW Ar. Jeff
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